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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443902

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I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 
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Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443922

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Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

1- Smith shot well tonight but was like 1-15 from behind the arc before that.  But he has at least been able to score going to the basket.  As of right now, Coburn doesnt look like the guy we saw in the 1st 2 games.  I will say no that he wont tep up against better comp.
2- Soriano is too slow footed and cant jump.  Any skilled big man is going to eat him for breakfast.
3- Not liking what I have seen from wheeler or stanley.  Ill say no.
4- Mathis is a slasher.  As long as he doesnt jack up 3s, he has been pretty good.
5- Our backup point guard is Pinzon.  
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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443923

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Steph Smith has impressed me.  I think his outside shot will start to fall.  He has proven that he is not a one trick pony.  Reminds me a little of Dwight Hardy.  Hardy starter his senior year shooting poorly from outside but demonstrated an ability to score.  When Hardy started to shoot better as the year progressed, he was dynamic and one of the best players in the Big East.  My expectations are not as high for Smith, but I really think he can be a  solid scorer and ball handler.

Coburn is a terrific shooter.  Unfortunately, he seems turnover prone and his athleticism is questionable.  Jury is still out on him, but hopefully he will find his role as a sharp shooter.

I’m not worried about Posh and Champagnie.  They will both be terrific.  Hopefully Posh will stay healthy, cut down on turnovers and continue to shoot the ball with confidence.

The front court is what gives me the most concern.  Soriano and Wheeler have not impressed at all.  I don’t think we’ve upgraded there.  To the contrary, from what I’ve seen, I’d take Moore over Wheeler as a player  and it’s not even close.  I thought Wheeler had athleticism.  Haven’t seen many offensive rebounds or putbacks from him.  He seems content to launch from outside and I don’t think he’s a better shooter than Moore.
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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443924

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Duke of Earlington post=443922 wrote:

Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

1- Smith shot well tonight but was like 1-15 from behind the arc before that.  But he has at least been able to score going to the basket.  As of right now, Coburn doesnt look like the guy we saw in the 1st 2 games.  I will say no that he wont tep up against better comp.
2- Soriano is too slow footed and cant jump.  Any skilled big man is going to eat him for breakfast.
3- Not liking what I have seen from wheeler or stanley.  Ill say no.
4- Mathis is a slasher.  As long as he doesnt jack up 3s, he has been pretty good.
5- Our backup point guard is Pinzon.  

Agree with all except 5. Don't see how we can anoint Pinzon the back up PG based on such a small sample size. Hopefully he grows in to that position over the course of the season, lord knows it's his for the taking, just need to see more before I convinced. 

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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443926

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Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

1.  Smith I'm not that worried about, his shots look good, they'll start to fall, and he's finding other ways to score.  Coburn is starting to give me Vince Cole vibes.  Which is a streaky 3 point shooter, with bad ball handling, plays great against bad competition and struggles against good teams.

2.  The game just has to slow down for Soriano, he has good hands and finishes well around the rim, he's just to get smarter on defense and take more pride in rebounding.  

3. Not looking likely.  Purdue fans tried to warn about Wheeler.  He looks the part, but for some reason just doesn't translate in the game for whatever reason.  Stanley may be good in the future, he has the motor and will, however he looks raw out there, he's essentially an undersized center that doesn't have great explosiveness, maybe he gets that later as the game slows down for him.

4. Mathis is looking good.  Through 5 games, I'd say he's the 3rd most important player on the team.  As long as he doesn't take more than two 3's a game he'll be fine.  Right now he's averaging 38% from 3 and 73% from the line.  Obviously those numbers will drop when it gets in conference play, but if he can average 35% from 3 and 70% from the line, I'd take that from him in heartbeat.

5. Pinzon.  His absence has been noticeable.  Even as a freshman he's ahead of some guys on both the offensive and defensive end.  I think once he returns CMA probably goes down to a 9-man rotation.... Posh, Mathis, Smith, Champ, Soriano, Wusu, Pinzon, Coburn will be the main 8. Then Wheeler/Stanley will battle it out for the last few minutes, it may vary who gets them game to game.

 
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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443929

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Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 


1. I think so, and more so overall I have less worries about our guards along aside Posh. I don’t think talent is an issue there. They are still working on how they fit best and figuring out their roles. All new responsibilities this year. Yesterday without Posh in a strange way might have helped some of them get going. Smith is heady, he gives a guard who would drive us crazy if he was on the other team attempting to draw those fouls. Coburn scares me whenever he’s not shooting.

2. He’s struggling but I’m still excited by him. I think he moves much better than people are all of a sudden giving him credit for. I would suggest him not guarding the basketball so far away from the paint but we now how CMA wants to play. But down low against post bigs I’m still optimistic he’ll be a big help in BE play.


3. Effective? I’m not sure. But if Soriano steps up and stays healthy, then I think they can be competent as back up bigs. More confident in Stanley.

4. If he plays his role and takes good shots, he can give us more than enough on offense. He’s not a creator, but if he picks his spots he can be a finisher.

5. Wusu is our back up “facilitator” but damn his handle has been rusty. We don’t know yet. So by committee it seems. And with Posh’s style of play, that’s not a great situation to be in.
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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443930

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Making Plays post=443926 wrote:

Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

1.  Smith I'm not that worried about, his shots look good, they'll start to fall, and he's finding other ways to score.  Coburn is starting to give me Vince Cole vibes.  Which is a streaky 3 point shooter, with bad ball handling, plays great against bad competition and struggles against good teams.

2.  The game just has to slow down for Soriano, he has good hands and finishes well around the rim, he's just to get smarter on defense and take more pride in rebounding.  

3. Not looking likely.  Purdue fans tried to warn about Wheeler.  He looks the part, but for some reason just doesn't translate in the game for whatever reason.  Stanley may be good in the future, he has the motor and will, however he looks raw out there, he's essentially an undersized center that doesn't have great explosiveness, maybe he gets that later as the game slows down for him.

4. Mathis is looking good.  Through 5 games, I'd say he's the 3rd most important player on the team.  As long as he doesn't take more than two 3's a game he'll be fine.  Right now he's averaging 38% from 3 and 73% from the line.  Obviously those numbers will drop when it gets in conference play, but if he can average 35% from 3 and 70% from the line, I'd take that from him in heartbeat.

5. Pinzon.  His absence has been noticeable.  Even as a freshman he's ahead of some guys on both the offensive and defensive end.  I think once he returns CMA probably goes down to a 9-man rotation.... Posh, Mathis, Smith, Champ, Soriano, Wusu, Pinzon, Coburn will be the main 8. Then Wheeler/Stanley will battle it out for the last few minutes, it may vary who gets them game to game.


 


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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443947

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Solid responses to the questions posed - gonna try and put a positive spin this.... cause if I get negative this early in the season, its gonna make for a long year lol.
- St Peter's game was a solid showing against a good local team - positive
- 2nd half vs Indiana, without Mathis- this team showed the ability to persevere and showed a lot of grit
- We've beaten everyone we're supposed to....

The last two games have us feeling sour... rightfully so. BUT... fairly confident things will turn around...
- Julian- an uncharacteristic 1/11 from 3 the last two games
- Stef Smith - 3/ 17 from 3 on the season (after going 37/37/42/36% 4 yrs at Vermont)
- Missing our Floor general the last two games (dont care that he played FDU.... he was clearly hobbled)
- Pinzon/Coburn each have missed some time (solid role players who give the starters some rest)

what is a bit concerning- our 3% has dipped each game- 52->45->33->23->21%... and for a team that has preached Family/cohesiveness pre-season.... not seeing that too much the past two games.... 

In the spirit of Thanksgiving- they'll come together over the next 3 days.... put on a show Saturday, and will be ready for the biggest test of the season so far on Dec 3. 

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Questions/Concerns about this team.. 1 week 1 day ago #443948

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Monte post=443924 wrote:

Duke of Earlington post=443922 wrote:

Monte post=443902 wrote: I posed these questions, in no particular  order, before the Indiana game. I modified question number 2 slightly. Other then #4, we still don't know answer to the other questions. Still early, but these are major concerns. In particular, who is our back up PG and who is going to contribute down low? 

1. Can Smith and Coburn get good looks and knock down shots against a much higher level of comp?
2. Can Soriano hold his own down low against Jackson-Davis(and other more talented big men)?
3. Can Wheeler and Stanley be effective around the rim on both ends?
4. What can Mathis give us on offense? 
5. Who is our back up PG? 

1- Smith shot well tonight but was like 1-15 from behind the arc before that.  But he has at least been able to score going to the basket.  As of right now, Coburn doesnt look like the guy we saw in the 1st 2 games.  I will say no that he wont tep up against better comp.
2- Soriano is too slow footed and cant jump.  Any skilled big man is going to eat him for breakfast.
3- Not liking what I have seen from wheeler or stanley.  Ill say no.
4- Mathis is a slasher.  As long as he doesnt jack up 3s, he has been pretty good.
5- Our backup point guard is Pinzon.  

Agree with all except 5. Don't see how we can anoint Pinzon the back up PG based on such a small sample size. Hopefully he grows in to that position over the course of the season, lord knows it's his for the taking, just need to see more before I convinced. 

We can anoint him the backup point guard because Mike Anderson has. Pinzon's play in a hostile environment in Indiana shows he is more than capable of solidly handling the backup job and giving Posh 10 minutes of rest time a game this year. He doesn't have to be Ja Morant to help out either.

Pinzon is not an average freshman as he has a ton of international experience and has played in high pressured games. Plus he was beyond well coached at LuHi by Coach Buck.   

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