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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435742

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I understand that NYC is pro town. But, if St. John’s ever had a team good enough to challenge for a National Championship or even be a consistent Top 15 program , there would plenty of opportunities for the top players on those teams to make some money here in NYC. There needs to be a pipeline built between supporters of the program and alums who have the means to provide these types of opportunities to players on the team and just consistently run our players through it. Almost as guaranteed income for our top players on any given year. If we do that, this is NYC, you will get plenty of top players to come here. 
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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435743

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How about selling the SJU basketball rights to a wealthy alum?  Let’s turn almost pro.

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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435744

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AlexSTJ post=435741 wrote:

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Knight post=435736 wrote: Maybe this is the death of amateur athletics.

That happened a long time ago when the NCCA became a multi billion dollar "Non-profit" organization. Now, the athletes get their deserved piece of the pie. 



 

I am all for the athletes getting their share of the pie. However the NCAA has worded this rule so that it won't cost them anything. The NCAA will still be a multibillion dollar non profit.

What I forsee happening is rampant cheating and transferring to the detriment of college sports.

Rampant cheating has been a part of the game for a while now, to the point that the FBI stepped in. I think this will level the playing field for programs that run a cleaner ship. I agree that this will be detrimental to college sports. However, college sports stopped being college sports a long time ago. I see this as an overall net positive for St. John's.

 

It definitely won't level the playing field. It will just allow school with wealthy boosters to find creative ways to play for players. In the Pros, they call it free agency. Now if at school A your are receiving 10,000.00 from NIL, after a good year School B can contact your handler and say they can help you get 30,000.00 from NIL. This is what the future of college sports will look like.

Also that FBI investigation was a waste of time and money. What was the end result, a few Asst coaches and sneaker company reps got caught up. Head coaches like Miller and Wade who were on tape, suffered no consequences at all. "And The Band Played On".

 
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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435745

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There is a tremendous amount of money in NYC that would love to he associated with a top college team. How SJU gets to that point - or convinces moneyed interests that
with the proper assistance they will get there - is the trick.

I believe with all due respect to the Mike Repoles of the world it is important that SJU think beyond alumni. Built and marketed correctly a successful SJU by default becomes the only NYC area college team. In any sport. When you think beyond alumni (and please take no offense I understand there are also many successful alumni) what basketball team is surrounded by more wealth?  Cast a wide enough net and this change could be good for the program.
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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435751

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panther2 post=435734 wrote: .... What is to stop these same Booster from setting aside 2 million each year to go after 5 players, guaranteeing each player 400 thousand a year as long as they stay in school? They will just funnel the money to 3rd party businesses.... 

 

*Edit: Panther - I'm not attacking you. This is just a fun discourse, and I think I'm coming to realizing that I really don't care if the Kentucky players get paid a lot of money.

What's to stop a fan forum for raising a ton of money from fans and then paying the players to use their likenesses on their websites?

What about the players selling their likenesses via NFTs (non-fungible tokens - the new hot rage).
This ruling, that the players can use their likeness, converges immediately with the NFT craze.

Think about this:  Superstar player commits to go to Kentucky.  He immediately sells an NFT of himself wearing a Kentucky jersey. He knows a donor will pay him $500,000 for that NFT.  

On one hand, this could be very transparent. One could argue that kid is getting exactly what he deserves; and frankly, the kid would be getting what he deserves.  So, the free-market is determining what he's worth. So I actually see the benefit of this from the players' perspective.  On the other hand, it just seems like this could get really ugly, really fast - but ugly for who?  Ugly for my misguided idealism of what basketball supposedly was the last 30 years?

But isn't the system ugly already, and it was just covered up?  Maybe this likeness issue will be fine.  Perhaps it will be just more transparent now. When I first starting typing this, I thought this would really bad for college basketball - and yes, it might be bad for the NCAA management because it'll reveal the ugly underbelly of NCAA big time sports.   

However, if the free-market is determining what the kids should get...and the system was ugly all along - then what's the difference? Basically, I have had my head in the sand.   So will I really care in the future, if I know that each starting player on Kentucky is getting $500k for his NFT? Wouldn't I still root for the starting players on St. John's that only got $5k NFTs?

Honestly, now that I really think of it, screw it - at least I know what the odds are now, stacked against a 'little school' like St. John's, whose players only got $25k in NFTs in a season, vs the starting Kentucky team with $2.5mm in NFTs. I would still root like heck.

Wouldn't all of you? I think it might actually be fine.

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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435754

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panther2 post=435744 wrote:

AlexSTJ post=435741 wrote:

panther2 post=435738 wrote:

AlexSTJ post=435737 wrote:

Knight post=435736 wrote: Maybe this is the death of amateur athletics.

That happened a long time ago when the NCCA became a multi billion dollar "Non-profit" organization. Now, the athletes get their deserved piece of the pie. 




 

I am all for the athletes getting their share of the pie. However the NCAA has worded this rule so that it won't cost them anything. The NCAA will still be a multibillion dollar non profit.

What I forsee happening is rampant cheating and transferring to the detriment of college sports.

Rampant cheating has been a part of the game for a while now, to the point that the FBI stepped in. I think this will level the playing field for programs that run a cleaner ship. I agree that this will be detrimental to college sports. However, college sports stopped being college sports a long time ago. I see this as an overall net positive for St. John's.


 

It definitely won't level the playing field. It will just allow school with wealthy boosters to find creative ways to play for players. In the Pros, they call it free agency. Now if at school A your are receiving 10,000.00 from NIL, after a good year School B can contact your handler and say they can help you get 30,000.00 from NIL. This is what the future of college sports will look like.

Also that FBI investigation was a waste of time and money. What was the end result, a few Asst coaches and sneaker company reps got caught up. Head coaches like Miller and Wade who were on tape, suffered no consequences at all. "And The Band Played On".


 

Schools with wealthy boosters were already doing this, illegally. The FBI investigation cost Miller his job, and is a huge reason why NIL passed. 

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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435760

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panther2 post=435734 wrote: My first thought was that St Johns would be in great shape to take advantage of this. We are located in NYC, the Mecca. Advertising opportunities abound.

However, after thinking about it for a while, I believe that the NCAA has created a disaster. Teams in the Power 5 Conferences spend millions of dollars on the buyouts of Coaches with the money coming from Boosters. What is to stop these same Booster from setting aside 2 million each year to go after 5 players, guaranteeing each player 400 thousand a year as long as they stay in school? They will just funnel the money to 3rd party businesses. The NCAA does not have the staff, time, or interest to look into all of the problems that will arise from this decision.

If y'all thought the playing field was not level before, just wait until you see what happens now. If y'all think the transfer portal was crowded now, just wait until until a player has a good season and his handlers tell him he can get 3 x the money at University X.

This may be the beginning of the end of college sports as we know them.

 

+1000

It’ll be interesting to see the impact on kids leaving early. If a kid is making money in college - even a modest amount, perhaps he doesn’t go intro draft w/o knowing with certainty that he has a paying pro gig.

I know for some it is sacrilegious to say that college players should not get paid, but without a way to keep playing field level, this is a recipe for disaster. Free xfer rule will compound the problem as kids leave not because they aren’t getting PT but because they can get paid to play elsewhere
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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435768

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Twins Haley, Hanna Cavinder Announce Major Endorsement News (msn.com)

Good to see the ladies getting some love.. and they are super hot twins!
 
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Name Image and Likeness 6 months 2 weeks ago #435779

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I am all for the players getting a piece of the pie.  Just hope a pathway to parity can be established.  Otherwise, things could become a lot less interesting for schools like SJU.

I would have preferred the players get paid outright with conference revenue sharing and prescribed compensation.  

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