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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437350

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NCJohnnie post=437326 wrote: Also simply not true that most BE teams had the kind of turnover we did other than perhaps Creighton. We only have 3 guys returning from last year's team and that is not the norm by any stretch of the imagination.  
 


Off the top of my head Butler and Providence are pretty much bringing everyone back.  Think Xavier, Nova and UConn are largely intact though they each lost a big piece.  Marquette, DePaul, Creighton and Georgetown have a lot of turnover like us.  Lost sight of what happened with the Hall but I assume they're bringing back more players (though not more talent) than we are.

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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437351

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I'm on the Colgate is a cupcake page.  Finished 14-2 and made the dance via conf tourney. First 13 games were played entirely against Army (12-10), Boston U (7-11) and Holy Cross (5-11).  Then one each vs Bucknell (5-7) and Loyola MD (6-11).  Then blown out in NCAA by Arkansas. High NET was a factor of partial season.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437352

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The thing about a Colgate is it is a double edge sword.  They are the clear favorites in a weak league.  Which is not a bad opponent to schedule but at the same time their NET won't be great.

Bottom line is SJU not being in a top tier exempt tourney (Gotham Classic is the exempt tourney against Pitt) is what is hurting.  Butler is in Maui, say it was SJU not Butler.  They have chances of potential matchups with Wisconsin, Texas A&M, St. Mary's, Oregon and Houston.  And not just one of  teams.  That is what is missing.

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I'm on the Colgate is a cupcake page.  Finished 14-2 and made the dance via conf tourney. First 13 games were played entirely against Army (12-10), Boston U (7-11) and Holy Cross (5-11).  Then one each vs Bucknell (5-7) and Loyola MD (6-11).  Then blown out in NCAA by Arkansas. High NET was a factor of partial season.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437353

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I mean UCONN is playing in Atlantis.  Field is LOADED.  Now I don't understand the argument that SJU should be good this year so I don't mind playing a softer schedule?  What? So UCONN after getting back to the NCAA Tourney for the first time in years last year and generally projected to be the 2nd best team after Nova in the BE is a sucker for playing in such a high level tourney? Or is that how a big time basketball program is supposed to act like?

Remember how well that worked out in Mullin's last year?  That 12-0 non-conference did not help much as they barely snuck in as the last team in the field.  And that is because the non-conference schedule that year was weak even though SJU was projected to have it's best team up to that point under Mullin.  

The last thing I will say is this is SJU.  Why would they ever shy away from a difficult schedule even if the team was projected to be bad.  No look I have harped on this enough.  I will just say going forward SJU needs to be in a top tier pre-season tourney just about every year.

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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437355

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I understand wanting to get a bunch of game in while you jell since we have a lot of turnover.  My issue is that we don't have much that will help us build a resume.  Selection Sunday is an exercise primarily in who you have beaten and then secondarily who you have played.  We should have another top 100 opponent at the back end of OOC schedule after finals are done.  If you are not ready to play an NC St level team on Dec 20th, then what makes you think that you can play something like @ Seton Hall 10 days later? The fact that we only potentially have one Tier 2 game on the schedule after Kansas and @ Indiana when you expect to compete for a bid is criminal.  BEST CASE scenario is this hurts us by a couple of seed lines after a big season.  WORST CASE...well see Robert Morris in 2014.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437356

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Mean Gene post=437333 wrote: The NCAA Selection Committee has shown in recent years that they will reward the teams that scheduled aggressively and punish the teams that did not challenge themselves.

That's if you are on the bubble. Win enough BEC games and we won't have to worry about it.

If we scheduled super tough and lost most of OoC schedule and went 17-13 heading into BET, committee might not reward us anyway.

I'm a firm believer in rewarding your local cupcakes, though. Rewarding ones from a 1,000 miles away does nothing for me.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437360

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Creighton, in its just released OOC schedule, has a chance of playing more than the 3 power 5 conf games we have; they will or could play Nebraska, Iowa State, Colorado, Arizona State, with a tough BYU looming too.

Tue.Nov. 9 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Thu.Nov. 11 Kennesaw State
Tue.Nov. 16 at Nebraska
Paradise Jam, Fri.Nov. 19 vs. Brown
Sat. or Sun.Nov. 20 or 21 vs. Bradley or Colorado State
Mon.Nov. 22 vs. TBD (Duquesne, Northeastern, Southern Illinois or Colorado)
Sat.Nov. 27SIU Edwardsville
Tue.Nov. 30 North Dakota State
Sat.Dec. 4 Iowa State!
Sat.Dec. 11vs. BYU
Tue.Dec. 14Arizona State
 

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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437362

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What's enough though?  Remember they won 10 league games last year as did SHU and neither got in.  In fact neither were even in the next 4 OUT.

Saying win enough conference games is an argument for any year theoretically.  Play 12 cupcakes but go 20-0 in the BE and your fine.  Yeah I guess.

And the BE should be pretty good but keep in mind outside of Nova and UCONN almost no one has anyone inside the top 35.  So their is a huge dropoff.  Meaning being picked 3rd or 4th in the BE is not the same projection as say 3rd or 4th in the B12 or B10 or ACC.  Those teams in many cases are top 10 nationally maybe even Final Four caliber teams.

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That's if you are on the bubble. Win enough BEC games and we won't have to worry about it.

If we scheduled super tough and lost most of OoC schedule and went 17-13 heading into BET, committee might not reward us anyway.

I'm a firm believer in rewarding your local cupcakes, though. Rewarding ones from a 1,000 miles away does nothing for me.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437363

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Remember people talked about what the difference was with Rutgers and SJU last year.  Not much maybe RU's win over Illinois was a bit better than SJU win over Nova.  But the ultimate difference was Rutgers beat Syracuse in a non-conference game.

UCONN beat USC in a non-conference game.

BIG difference from SJU's best non conference win which was probably Boston College.
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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437364

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mm52 post=437360 wrote: Creighton, in its just released OOC schedule, has a chance of playing more than the 3 power 5 conf games we have; they will or could play Nebraska, Iowa State, Colorado, Arizona State, with a tough BYU looming too.

Tue.Nov. 9 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Thu.Nov. 11 Kennesaw State
Tue.Nov. 16 at Nebraska
Paradise Jam, Fri.Nov. 19 vs. Brown
Sat. or Sun.Nov. 20 or 21 vs. Bradley or Colorado State
Mon.Nov. 22 vs. TBD (Duquesne, Northeastern, Southern Illinois or Colorado)
Sat.Nov. 27SIU Edwardsville
Tue.Nov. 30 North Dakota State
Sat.Dec. 4 Iowa State!
Sat.Dec. 11vs. BYU
Tue.Dec. 14Arizona State

 

7 win Nebraska and 2 win Iowa State? Two of the worst high-Majors out there 

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