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While the level of St. Francis may not add to SOS, I am glad to see this LONG time rival (battle of Brooklyn) on the schedule.  This will be the 80th game between the schools which goes back to our initial season (would also see long time rival Manhattan as our other local for our 88th game).  I guess I am a traditionalist.  Would also like to see long time ECAC rivals Temple and St. Joe's.

Not to be a "Debbie Downer" but hope delta mutation doesn't impact the schedule and the ability to attend games--get those RED masks now.

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Like BrooklynRed I would love to see St. Joes and Temple on the schedule in place of a FDU or NJIT but I realize that Temple and ST Joes would demand a return game at their arena and at least for this year SJU is sticking with OOC teams that agree to play at SJU without a return game at their facility.

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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437310

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Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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Adam post=437310 wrote: Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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I don't see it this way. 

First, what we are basically arguing about is the difference between 3 OOC games against power conference opponents versus 4 games.  That isn't nothing, but it isn't monumental either.

Second, the staff has a lot of new pieces to fit together and it's important for them to not lose too many games while they're doing that.  The Kansas game is presumably an L.  The road trip to Indiana early in the season is a crap shoot.  I don't see how they could afford to schedule a third major OOC opponent that early given those two games.

Third, the league is going to be brutal and they have to get an adequate win total one way or another to put themselves in the conversation.  Georgetown and Syracuse for years scheduled a collection of nobodies, then played well enough in conference to get to ~20 wins, and went to the tournament.

If we had 7 or 8 returning players in a rising program I would have said yeah, I'd rather see a Michigan State-type OOC schedule.  But with 3 players coming back and urgency to make the NCAAs this year, I completely understand going with 3 OOC games instead of 4, using the early part of the schedule to sort things out, and counting on playing well enough in the league to lock up a bid.

Of course now we just have to execute that plan.

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lawmanfan post=437313 wrote:

Adam post=437310 wrote: Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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I don't see it this way. 

First, what we are basically arguing about is the difference between 3 OOC games against power conference opponents versus 4 games.  That isn't nothing, but it isn't monumental either.

Second, the staff has a lot of new pieces to fit together and it's important for them to not lose too many games while they're doing that.  The Kansas game is presumably an L.  The road trip to Indiana early in the season is a crap shoot.  I don't see how they could afford to schedule a third major OOC opponent that early given those two games.

Third, the league is going to be brutal and they have to get an adequate win total one way or another to put themselves in the conversation.  Georgetown and Syracuse for years scheduled a collection of nobodies, then played well enough in conference to get to ~20 wins, and went to the tournament.

If we had 7 or 8 returning players in a rising program I would have said yeah, I'd rather see a Michigan State-type OOC schedule.  But with 3 players coming back and urgency to make the NCAAs this year, I completely understand going with 3 OOC games instead of 4, using the early part of the schedule to sort things out, and counting on playing well enough in the league to lock up a bid.

Of course now we just have to execute that plan.

In fairness for Cuse & GT back then there was no NET, Q1, Q2 process.

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2021-2022 Schedule 2 months 2 weeks ago #437315

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lawmanfan post=437313 wrote:

Adam post=437310 wrote: Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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I don't see it this way. 

First, what we are basically arguing about is the difference between 3 OOC games against power conference opponents versus 4 games.  That isn't nothing, but it isn't monumental either.

Second, the staff has a lot of new pieces to fit together and it's important for them to not lose too many games while they're doing that.  The Kansas game is presumably an L.  The road trip to Indiana early in the season is a crap shoot.  I don't see how they could afford to schedule a third major OOC opponent that early given those two games.

Third, the league is going to be brutal and they have to get an adequate win total one way or another to put themselves in the conversation.  Georgetown and Syracuse for years scheduled a collection of nobodies, then played well enough in conference to get to ~20 wins, and went to the tournament.

If we had 7 or 8 returning players in a rising program I would have said yeah, I'd rather see a Michigan State-type OOC schedule.  But with 3 players coming back and urgency to make the NCAAs this year, I completely understand going with 3 OOC games instead of 4, using the early part of the schedule to sort things out, and counting on playing well enough in the league to lock up a bid.

Of course now we just have to execute that plan.

All the more reason to schedule another meaningful non-conference game.  If Kansas is likely an L and @ Indiana a crapshoot, then you risk heading into conference play with Colgate as your best win if you run the table (and you're going to have to)  That puts a heck of a lot of pressure to do a lot of damage in conference.  Good losses non-conference do not hurt you.  

In other words, if we do not get one of the marquee games, then we have to run the table with the rest of the OOC schedule and may have to win 12 conference games to be on the right side of the bubble unless the conference really performs well. Not a good place to put yourself in.
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weathermannyc post=437315 wrote:

lawmanfan post=437313 wrote:

Adam post=437310 wrote: Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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I don't see it this way. 

First, what we are basically arguing about is the difference between 3 OOC games against power conference opponents versus 4 games.  That isn't nothing, but it isn't monumental either.

Second, the staff has a lot of new pieces to fit together and it's important for them to not lose too many games while they're doing that.  The Kansas game is presumably an L.  The road trip to Indiana early in the season is a crap shoot.  I don't see how they could afford to schedule a third major OOC opponent that early given those two games.

Third, the league is going to be brutal and they have to get an adequate win total one way or another to put themselves in the conversation.  Georgetown and Syracuse for years scheduled a collection of nobodies, then played well enough in conference to get to ~20 wins, and went to the tournament.

If we had 7 or 8 returning players in a rising program I would have said yeah, I'd rather see a Michigan State-type OOC schedule.  But with 3 players coming back and urgency to make the NCAAs this year, I completely understand going with 3 OOC games instead of 4, using the early part of the schedule to sort things out, and counting on playing well enough in the league to lock up a bid.

Of course now we just have to execute that plan.

All the more reason to schedule another meaningful non-conference game.  If Kansas is likely an L and @ Indiana a crapshoot, then you risk heading into conference play with Colgate as your best win if you run the table (and you're going to have to)  That puts a heck of a lot of pressure to do a lot of damage in conference.  Good losses non-conference do not hurt you.  

In other words, if we do not get one of the marquee games, then we have to run the table with the rest of the OOC schedule and may have to win 12 conference games to be on the right side of the bubble unless the conference really performs well. Not a good place to put yourself in.


Exactly, well said.
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lawmanfan post=437313 wrote:

Adam post=437310 wrote: Terrible schedule with only 1 away game and 0 neutral games. Our OOC schedule hurt us last year (despite us going 6-1) and for some reason staff thought it'd be a good idea to schedule lightly again. This 
type of schedule is bad for NET and Q1/2 opportunities. Only works  if we go 10-1 with almost all of the wins by 10+ points. That's doable, but it gives very little room for error. 
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I don't see it this way. 

First, what we are basically arguing about is the difference between 3 OOC games against power conference opponents versus 4 games.  That isn't nothing, but it isn't monumental either.

Second, the staff has a lot of new pieces to fit together and it's important for them to not lose too many games while they're doing that.  The Kansas game is presumably an L.  The road trip to Indiana early in the season is a crap shoot.  I don't see how they could afford to schedule a third major OOC opponent that early given those two games.

Third, the league is going to be brutal and they have to get an adequate win total one way or another to put themselves in the conversation.  Georgetown and Syracuse for years scheduled a collection of nobodies, then played well enough in conference to get to ~20 wins, and went to the tournament.

If we had 7 or 8 returning players in a rising program I would have said yeah, I'd rather see a Michigan State-type OOC schedule.  But with 3 players coming back and urgency to make the NCAAs this year, I completely understand going with 3 OOC games instead of 4, using the early part of the schedule to sort things out, and counting on playing well enough in the league to lock up a bid.

Of course now we just have to execute that plan.
 

fair points about the need to incorporate many new pieces.  I do think, however, many teams are in similar positions though.  I hope that we go 2-1 against Kansas, Pitt and Indiana to aid us in SOS/NET ranking at the end of the season for a bid.
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weathermannyc post=437315 wrote:

 

All the more reason to schedule another meaningful non-conference game.  If Kansas is likely an L and @ Indiana a crapshoot, then you risk heading into conference play with Colgate as your best win if you run the table (and you're going to have to)  That puts a heck of a lot of pressure to do a lot of damage in conference.  Good losses non-conference do not hurt you.  

In other words, if we do not get one of the marquee games, then we have to run the table with the rest of the OOC schedule and may have to win 12 conference games to be on the right side of the bubble unless the conference really performs well. Not a good place to put yourself in.


I hear you, but there's a timing element here.  The late-season OOC slot is filled by Pitt.  So any other OOC game that you schedule is going to be before league play starts, which means early in the season.  I can certainly understand why the staff would trade an early-season game with a power conference opponent they can lose to while they're getting things sorted out for a sure(ish) win and a bet that by the time league play rolls around they will be better positioned to win 11 or 12 games.
 

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mm52 post=437317 wrote:

  

fair points about the need to incorporate many new pieces.  I do think, however, many teams are in similar positions though.  I hope that we go 2-1 against Kansas, Pitt and Indiana to aid us in SOS/NET ranking at the end of the season for a bid.
 


I think that's what the staff is banking on.  Win the Indiana and Pitt games, probably lose to Kansas, sweep the rest of the OOC schedule, win 11 or 12 in the league.  That's an NCAA bid.  If you schedule another tough OOC game it's going to be early in the season when it's less likely to go well and it doesn't you could be in an even bigger hole.

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