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Greg W Enters Portal 2 months 1 week ago #431279

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fordham96 post=431277 wrote: I think some of you guys are overestimating some of these kids including Greg W.  Don't see him getting minutes at a prominent Power 5 school.

agree.  In addition his chronic back issues are going to give bigger programs pause.  I think most of the kids we have leaving will settle at a bit lower-level of program to find what they are searching for.
 

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Landing Spots for SJU Transfers 2 months 1 week ago #431280

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I think it shows a few thing relative to what you said:

1)Mike did a great job squeezing a lot out of the roster last year because....
2)The overall roster talent still is not at a level where they need to be to compete consistently for an NCAA bid and 
3)This is related to number 1.  CMA deserved COY of the year but as it turns out the 10 league wins was not as impressive as I would have thought at the beginning of the year.  Because if you had told me they are winning 10 games in the league I would have stated point blank they are an NCAA team.  The fact that both they and SHU won 10 league games and neither sniffed an NCAA bid along with Xavier, Marquette, Providence etc being major disappointments the league just was not that good last year.  

So it is easier to understand how with a lot of mediocre talent on the roster they were able to win 10 games last year in the BE it is mostly because the league itself was not very good.

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Based on the programs the SJU players are transferring to or considering It looks like the posters who felt that the players transferring from SJU did not have big east talent were correct and hopefully the players  transferring in will raise the level of play. It would also be nice if the one who does have big east talent , Williams , decides to stay unless Anderson can bring it a player with equal or better talent to replace him .

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fordham96 post=431277 wrote: I think some of you guys are overestimating some of these kids including Greg W.  Don't see him getting minutes at a prominent Power 5 school.



In fairness you were underestimating most of these kids while they were at sju.

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Landing Spots for SJU Transfers 2 months 1 week ago #431282

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SJU14 post=431270 wrote:

Not an alum post=431268 wrote: Strange one for me to understand. Any insight? Transfer down to the middle of nowhere when you had the talent to play big minutes in a top conference?


Guys like Marcellus and Dunn both have intentions of playing professional overseas. They feel the best way for them to do that is to showcase their skills in different ways. For Rasheem that’s probably as a PG and that wasn’t going to happen here. Marcellus said he wants to showcase his perimeter skills a little more and we had him playing closer to the basket.


Dunn does not have the size to be a 2 guard at the pro level
He needs to prove that he can play the point
He'll get the keys to the car at Robert Morris, a good mid major program
This gives him a chance to play a lot and showcase his skills
Good move for him. I wish Rasheem well at Robert Morris

 

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So Dunn is a transfer down to where he can run the show.  Sounds like Marcellus is a transfer down to somewhere he can be a perimeter shooter.  Greg W is an unknown, and I think may well be a boomerang.

Any news on landing spots for Cole, Moore, McGriff, Roberts?

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Moore is the kind of unicorn coaches salivate over. 
And he's proven to be a high-level player. He should have gotten 6th man of the year in the BE. 
Only thing holding him back is his head and mouth. 
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MainMan post=431285 wrote: Moore is the kind of unicorn coaches salivate over. 
And he's proven to be a high-level player. He should have gotten 6th man of the year in the BE. 
Only thing holding him back is his head and mouth. 

Agree.  Moore is the most talented of our transfers out and still have some decent takers.  
 

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I explained that in the post prior.  A little bit of both.  On the surface perhaps I underestimated them, but when you look back at how good the competition was this year in the BE perhaps not so much.

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fordham96 post=431277 wrote:



In fairness you were underestimating most of these kids while they were at sju.

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I think some of you are spending too much time analyzing these kids individually.  A team is the sum of its parts.  By all accounts, these kids fit together well.  Had they chosen to return, they would have brought familiarity with the system and invaluable experience as seniors.  

We may well upgrade the individual talent, but that is no assurance of success.  I liked our  team a lot and felt we were a piece or two away from being really successful.  Now we are largely rebuilding. 

Many programs are in the same boat as us given the transfer rule, but it’s not ideal.  The timing is particularly unfortunate when you consider that we were coming off a promising season with most of the kids slated to return.
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fordham96 post=431280 wrote: I think it shows a few thing relative to what you said:

1)Mike did a great job squeezing a lot out of the roster last year because....
2)The overall roster talent still is not at a level where they need to be to compete consistently for an NCAA bid and 
3)This is related to number 1.  CMA deserved COY of the year but as it turns out the 10 league wins was not as impressive as I would have thought at the beginning of the year.  Because if you had told me they are winning 10 games in the league I would have stated point blank they are an NCAA team.  The fact that both they and SHU won 10 league games and neither sniffed an NCAA bid along with Xavier, Marquette, Providence etc being major disappointments the league just was not that good last year.  

So it is easier to understand how with a lot of mediocre talent on the roster they were able to win 10 games last year in the BE it is mostly because the league itself was not very good.
 

I don't believe this to be true.  Last year was an anomaly in the fact that teams/conferences that were able to play all or most their games had a better shot of making the tournament than teams/conferences that got affected by covid shutdowns and didn't get to play as many games.  St. John's was literally the only team in the Big East to not to have a covid shutdown and even we didn't get a chance to play all our games.  One of the biggest games on our schedule, was not made up against UConn, you add that game to the schedule and get a win (it was a home game and a Q2 game) and they probably make the tournament. 

You look at the Big 10 conference, most of their of the teams played all of their games, and that's why they got so many teams in the tournament.  The main factor in making the tournament is having a good NET and the best way to have a good NET is to play games, and play quality games.  If you have teams in your league that didn't get to play non-conference games and had several conference games cancelled then their is limited chances to improve your NET, because you're playing teams with bad NETs because they aren't playing games, so you don't get as many teams in the tournament. Xavier, St. John's, and Seton Hall all on normal years would have made the tournament, those teams were all tournament quality.  Big East should have been a six bid league this year.  
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