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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429025

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MCNPA post=429019 wrote: “Why would Champagnie ever come back?”

why wouldn’t he?  He gets all the PT he wants and most of the guys we lost weren’t even starters.  Add one or two good transfers on top of Stef and we will likely be better than last year.  People are overestimating the losses based on numbers alone.  

lol, we essentially lost the whole team.  Love now some try to sugarcoat this.  If I were Champ, I wouldn’t feel much allegiance to coming back.  Why not just transfer somewhere better.

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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429026

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I feel like billthetruth's opinions aren't popular but he's not talking nonsense so I'll have his back a little

Williams was one of the most inconsistent players on St. John's in recent memory. Between injuries and confidence/lack of aggression/whatever he just hasn't been reliable for a full season. Someone said there hasn't been a bad word said about Greg until today. Really? Maybe not about him as a person. He's a great guy so we all say it nicely but I really thought his injuries and offensive issues were something that came up often. It seemed like everyone agreed that his potential as a ball player has always been greater than his output.

I wish he stayed. I'm not saying, "Addition by subtraction." but the truth is I thought he'd be better as a sophmore than he was and more consistent as a junior than he was. Maybe that changes as a senior maybe not. We can't afford to lose Greg WIlliams if we had a game tmmrw. Nobody here has any clue if that will still be true in a couple of months. The Final Four hasn't even been played yet. If the final roster seems to be an obvious downgrade I'll be upset. None of this is meant as a slight against Williams who is a talented and mature guy. I think we may be missing the player we wanted Greg Williams to be more than the player he actually was. I genuinely hope he tears it up wherever he goes.

Probably unpopular as well but this is my honest assessment of what he's been here.
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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429029

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Boo Harvey post=429011 wrote: Why would Champagnie ever come back?

Why wouldn't he?  He knows the system, knows he role, has arguably the best PG in the conference next year as the guy getting him the ball, and this system and style of play is what put him on NBA scout radars.

Also, as I posted in another thread, this is not a St. John's problem with transfers it's a everybody problem.  There's currently 74 teams with at least 5 transfers this off-season and that number is growing by the day, they expect over 1,500 transfers when it's all said and done, that would be an average of over 4 transfers per school.  

Now, if the staff doesn't bring in quality transfers, then yes, you can then ask the question why would Champ return.  However, they are on some pretty good name transfers, and they've already landed a 13 PPG transfer with NCAA tournament experience and coming from a winning program.  They land a couple more guys like that and the roster is actually better than it was last year.
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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429035

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Open the document from Twitter 
2nd tab is by school.  Not sure when it was updated last 

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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429055

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QueensBall post=429026 wrote: I feel like billthetruth's opinions aren't popular but he's not talking nonsense so I'll have his back a little

Williams was one of the most inconsistent players on St. John's in recent memory. Between injuries and confidence/lack of aggression/whatever he just hasn't been reliable for a full season. Someone said there hasn't been a bad word said about Greg until today. Really? Maybe not about him as a person. He's a great guy so we all say it nicely but I really thought his injuries and offensive issues were something that came up often. It seemed like everyone agreed that his potential as a ball player has always been greater than his output.

I wish he stayed. I'm not saying, "Addition by subtraction." but the truth is I thought he'd be better as a sophmore than he was and more consistent as a junior than he was. Maybe that changes as a senior maybe not. We can't afford to lose Greg WIlliams if we had a game tmmrw. Nobody here has any clue if that will still be true in a couple of months. The Final Four hasn't even been played yet. If the final roster seems to be an obvious downgrade I'll be upset. None of this is meant as a slight against Williams who is a talented and mature guy. I think we may be missing the player we wanted Greg Williams to be more than the player he actually was. I genuinely hope he tears it up wherever he goes.

Probably unpopular as well but this is my honest assessment of what he's been here.

Thanks, sometimes the unpopular opinion is not the wrong one. We shall see.

I was way more upset when we lost just LJ than all these guys combined. Why? Because he was a high Big East level player and showed it the 2 years he was here. NONE of these transfers this year have come within a country mile of being as productive as Figgy was in his 2 years here. I'm all about getting more talent here. We have a golden opportunity to do such that over the next 3 months.

It is a process, can we let it play out before throwing stones at the best staff we have had here since Louie's days  
 

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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429056

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Jeff Smith post=428968 wrote: Enough with the great person whom I wish the best of luck to when somebody jumps ship. That doesn’t do anything for us. Every post should be What the hell is going on with this school and not being able to keep/attract kids?  

What's going on with this school that can't attract/keep kids you ask?  How about the fact that the school  is at a disadvantage compared to other high major programs.
1. CMA runs a clean program, with the proof being his difficulty so far to land 4 star kids.
2. Facilities are not at the level of most if not all  major programs.
3. Home court is less than overwhelming.  That was fine 20 years ago, but is not a match for the modern arenas other schools can afford.
4.  Only 3 NCAA invites in the past 20 years, and no wins. There are still college kids that want to go to the dance, and the more the better.
 

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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429057

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As much as I get Earlington's departure, I just don't get Williams leaving at all. 

He was essentially being penciled in for 30 mins a night provided he stays healthy.

But that's 2021. 

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1- It's the optics
2- Too many spots to fill
3- It's the optics

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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429078

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section10 post=428864 wrote: CMA  not a fatherly figure?
paging sherman, sheridan, grant, and longstreet

Who knows with this generation of kids...not saying this was the case here but just speaking based on what I see with my 26 year old and others...high maintenance needing a lot of coddling and propping up

I am very surprised by this one as he was a starter and presumably would have been next year as well.

Might simply be that these kids are not interested in anything less than 35 minutes and being a focal point.

I’ve always believed that in College Basketball, the allegiance to the school drives fandom more so than the players - and hence why allowing high schoolers to go directly to the pros will have little effect on interest in the college game. However, if this type of flux becomes the norm, fans will start to look at college bball as just another form of professional sports - and interest levels could be adversely impacted. Hopefully, as some have suggested, there will be a period during which schools will adapt.
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Greg W Enters Portal 6 months 2 weeks ago #429080

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This transfer rule is nuts. Especially for us. We are talking about men with developed bodies but less developed reasoning skills, patience and insight. Before international basketball, players that they weren't good enough for pro ball were more into school, team loyalty and unity. Now, almost every player sees themself as a future professional that just needs showcasing.   If a coach even looks at a player wrong, it's off to the transfer portal we go.  Four guys are gone, or likely gone, and one is looking at his NBA draft position. There are players out there that are better than the players we are losing. This should n0t be that difficult. But it likely will be here at St. john's/
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