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Around College Basketball 2020/21 Season 2 days 9 hours ago #412618

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Another thing about Ewing is it doesn't appear he's shyed away from putting the work in on the recruiting trail. We all know what happened here with our previous two coaches
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Around College Basketball 2020/21 Season 2 days 8 hours ago #412627

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

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Around College Basketball 2020/21 Season 2 days 7 hours ago #412635

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

Slice was almost as "good" a hire as Mullin!
 

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

Slice was almost as "good" a hire as Mullin!


Slice thought he was brought in as the number one recruiter and number one assistant with a lot of say.  Based on the his title, experience and salary, that would seemed to have been the idea.  But neither wound up being the case, he loss in a power play and was shown the door becoming our version of Bobby Bonilla or Bret Saberhagen, still being paid long after he leaving (well at least in Saberhagen's case, it was half of what Bonilla was receiving and the Mets only had to pay half of that).
 

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  
 


You are right - I remember that the key was retaining the holdover assistant and bringing in Martelli was obviously a smart move (similar to Ewing bringing in Orr).

Lavin did bring in Dunlap, but after that all was lost on the coaching front.

Slice wasn't a coach, he was a recruiter. I mean, I know he had the title Coach at one point but let's be real. 

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

 


You are right - I remember that the key was retaining the holdover assistant and bringing in Martelli was obviously a smart move (similar to Ewing bringing in Orr).

Lavin did bring in Dunlap, but after that all was lost on the coaching front.

Slice wasn't a coach, he was a recruiter. I mean, I know he had the title Coach at one point but let's be real. 

Not going to disagree on that point but Mullin thought he was getting both.

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Women's hoops;CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. – Virginia athletics announced today (Jan. 14) the women’s basketball team will not complete the remainder of the 2020-21 season due to health and safety concerns.The decision was made with the overall health and safety of the student-athletes and staff in mind after the program postponed or canceled six games due to COVID protocols. Injuries have also left the Cavaliers with a depleted roster impacting the ability to safely practice and compete.

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The Atlantic 10 has announced it is moving its postseason tournament out of the Barclay Center and to a to-be-determined campus site because of COVID-19.  

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SJU85 wrote:

lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

Agree with this post.  Lavin needed to shake up his staff but it wasn't because he did not have a solid person with experience on his staff. In fact the opposite he probably put TOO much emphasis on that part.  Also exactly what has Ewing done that woud make us envious yet.  He is about to have back to back bottom or near bottom seasons and in 4 years will not have a NCAA Tourney bid.  But SJU shoud learn their lessons from that after they got rid of Lavin who had 2 NIT and 2 NCAA appearances in 4 of his 5 years.  Right, he would have killed it if he had Louis Orr...Ewing may very well bounce back but that is because as we noted he is striking it on the recruiting front not because he has Louis Orr.  He is waay under .500 in league play with Orr why would that be a difference maker?

The idea that Juwan Howard is being successful at Michigan because he has Phil Martelli is just nonsense.  I have no doubt Phil is a solid person to lean on but Juwan is being successful at Michigan because he is absolutely KILLING it on the recruiting front.  Almost NONE of that has to do with Martelli.  

Chris did not fail here because he did not have a "experienced coach."  He failed because he was 100% not committed and just plain lazy.  

 

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lawmanfan wrote: Juwan Howard and Ewing both did what Mullin and Lavin did not - retained or hired longtime professional coaches.  Louis Orr has been coaching forever.  Howard retained Beilein's staff, including a critical X and O man. 


Only one assistant from the previous staff stayed with Howard.  That assistant did have several years of experience.  Howard brought in long-time St. Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli (who had just gotten fired) to be his Associate Head Coach giving him someone with longtime experience  running a D1 program as a head coach as his right hand.  He also brought in former BC and NBA player Howard Eisley, who had experience as an Assistant Coach with Washington and the Knicks.  

Saying Lavin or Mullin did not is not true.  Lavin brought in Dunlap and replaced him with Whitsell both of  whom had plenty of coaching experience.  He also had Gene Keady who was a Head Coach for over 20 years at Purdue, on his staff as a special advisor.

Mullin  originally brought in Barry "Slice" Rohrssen a long-time assistant and former head coach.  

Agree with this post.  Lavin needed to shake up his staff but it wasn't because he did not have a solid person with experience on his staff. In fact the opposite he probably put TOO much emphasis on that part.  Also exactly what has Ewing done that woud make us envious yet.  He is about to have back to back bottom or near bottom seasons and in 4 years will not have a NCAA Tourney bid.  But SJU shoud learn their lessons from that after they got rid of Lavin who had 2 NIT and 2 NCAA appearances in 4 of his 5 years.  Right, he would have killed it if he had Louis Orr...Ewing may very well bounce back but that is because as we noted he is striking it on the recruiting front not because he has Louis Orr.  He is waay under .500 in league play with Orr why would that be a difference maker?

The idea that Juwan Howard is being successful at Michigan because he has Phil Martelli is just nonsense.  I have no doubt Phil is a solid person to lean on but Juwan is being successful at Michigan because he is absolutely KILLING it on the recruiting front.  Almost NONE of that has to do with Martelli.  

Chris did not fail here because he did not have a "experienced coach."  He failed because he was 100% not committed and just plain lazy.  


 

The Lavin lookback is interesting. I think he was hurt by the fact that one of his NIT appearances was an absolute disaster, he didn't come close to winning an NCAA tournament game, and the future was looking bleak in terms of recruiting. He was looking at most likely a full rebuild with losing seasons on the horizon. That being said, he likely did enough to earn the extension, but there were some major flaws. 

 
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