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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 9 hours ago #391506

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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 9 hours ago #391509

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Jeff Smith wrote: Leroy Ellis - 13.1 boards


Mel Davis, 16.4 boards.

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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 7 hours ago #391530

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I would suggest that rebounds are only mildly relevant to defense. Not completely irrelevant, but definitely not a major factor
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Not qualified to rate defenders but seem to remember Donald Emanuel as evoking a lot of frustration in people he guarded.

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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 6 hours ago #391547

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lawmanfan wrote: I would suggest that rebounds are only mildly relevant to defense. Not completely irrelevant, but definitely not a major factor


How do you finish nearly all good defensive possessions?

Rebounding is to defense what making shots is to offense.

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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 5 hours ago #391550

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This topic really shows that SJU with its proud hundred year bb tradition has had such a limited number of players that deserve the accolade of being elite defensive ball players.

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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 4 hours ago #391566

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fuchsia wrote: Not qualified to rate defenders but seem to remember Donald Emanuel as evoking a lot of frustration in people he guarded.


I remember him evoking a lot of frustration from SJU fans.;) :)
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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 3 days 4 hours ago #391567

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Amaseinyourface wrote:

lawmanfan wrote: I would suggest that rebounds are only mildly relevant to defense. Not completely irrelevant, but definitely not a major factor


How do you finish nearly all good defensive possessions?

Rebounding is to defense what making shots is to offense.


I respectfully disagree. Starting from the far end of the court there's forcing the ball-handler to go where he doesn't want to go, or making him pass to a less-capable ball-handler. Add getting into the passing lanes to force the ball to where they don't want to go with it. Steals. Then in the frontcourt there is ball denial if you're on a scorer or shooter. Shot denial if you guard well enough to prevent him from getting to the spot he wants or to get the shot he wants or to force the ball to a secondary option. Drawing charges by having good enough foot movement to establish position. For bigs, physicality without fouling in the post to keep the opposing big off of his spot. Blocked shots.

Most of what goes into good D never shows up on a stat sheet. All a rebound means is that the the other team got a shot up and it didn't go in. Tells you nothing about how well that offensive possession was defended either individually or collectively - it's just the result of a missed shot.

I'm not denigrating rebounding in any way - every rebound you get is an extra possession for your team and one less for the other team, and it has its own skill set. But it doesn't have a lot to do with defense because by definition the rebound happens after the shot goes up, and defense is what happens before the shot goes up.

I also disagree with Enright - the players in the OP are all elite defenders. I understand why so many of our fans are so negative after all these years, but don't let it permeate everything. I've been watching the game for 40+ years and I haven't seen a lot of better defenders anywhere than Simon, Pointer, and Artest. Or anyone with as much heart and guts and strength as Glover.
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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 2 days 1 hour ago #391729

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Lawmanfan Wrote: Sir Dom getting G-League DPOY brought this topic to mind. Here are my picks, but I'm sure I'm overlooking lots of worthy contenders:

PG: Marcus Hatten
SG: Justin Simon
SF: Sir Dom
PF: Ron Artest
C: Anthony Glover

Honorable mention at PG: Boo Harvey
Probably the better choice at C but I will take Glover on my team every time: Jayson Williams

Would love to see others' opinions on this.


When I saw this topic title the first three names I thought of were Sir Dom, Ron Artest and Justin Simon. I did not think of Hatten immediately but as soon as saw your list I said, "Hatten of course." He was absolutely a phenomenal defensive player.

The one player of your five I might move out is Glover. Not to knock him because he was incredibly strong and hard to move on the blocks, but he was so undersized that he does not stick out to me as a defensive center at all. He mostly played power forward as I remember.

Personally I might add Paris Horne as a guard, move Simon to the small forward and let Sir Dom be the center because he could guard anyone and was a match up problem for bigger guys because of his quickness, athleticism and unbelievable leaping ability. If I had to add a True Center though, it might have to be George Johnson. Although in all fairness I was paying less attention in the seventies than more recently. A more recent true center is harder to come up with, but Robert Werdann always seemed pretty decent defensively to me.

Great topic lawmanfan and fun for me to think about. Thanks for the thread.
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All-Time SJU All-Defense Team 2 days 1 hour ago #391730

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Glass always defended the best wing player (okay you could say because you didn’t want Mullin doing it).

Forgot about Horne who was a terrific defender. So was Billy Goodwin and Kevin Williams.
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