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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 1 week 10 hours ago #391031

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There has been some good back and forth here . First , Colleges paying Athletes ? We have lost the true definition of Student Athlete . It’s not Athlete Student . And , what are we talking about , paying all kids who play a Sport or just ones in the Revenue Sports ? And , who determines what money a kid gets ? Does the Top 5 FB or BB player get a flat sum that is the same as the 10 th Man who only plays on the Practice squad ? I mean no one who advocates paying College Athletes has come up with how a Pay Scale would work , have they ? The reality for Pro Level Talents is the NFL and NBA have heretofore limited the Kid coming out of HS and going directly Pro . Many Kids with Pro Talent should have the opportunity to go direct and not play the 1 and Done game like the NBA or , the NFL Rule of 2 College seasons before opting Pro . At least , I think the NFL requires 2 College Years ? Baseball allows kids to be drafted right out of HS and they get the appropriate Signing Bonuses , etc . They then usually embark on a Minor League internship to see if they can get to a Major League level . They do get paid for being in the Minors and the amount isn’t really relevant , if they want to go that route. So, in my mind a better solution is to have the NBA and NFL amend their rules , rather than have the Colleges function as a Minor League . In Baseball today , drafting a 17-18 year old kid in any of their draft rounds is a high risk and the MLB Scouts have to be pretty sure these players are almost guaranteed Major League Players . I think most agree the 1 and done rule makes a mockery of College Basketball under the Student Athlete guise . College Baseball is more and more becoming the Training ground for Major League Players but , I don’t see a groundswell for paying them . Next , Historic Black Colleges and Elite BB players . I think any HS kid who is Interested in a Black College should do what he wants and thinks what is best for him / her . The problem may arise however , if the Elite Player is interested in only the 1 and done scenario . I think that would not be in the best interests of the Black College . I think the Howard Coach Blakney has it right . Do these Elite Players want to come to Howard for the Academics that the school exemplifies or , is just that the Player feels he wants to be in a School with a high majority of Black Students ? And , then leaves after the 1 year. . How does that benefit Howard ? And , would Howard be expected to pay that Athlete ? They can’t finance Scholarships like Duke , Kentucky , Michigan State , LSU , Alabama , Ga., can ., As for Conferences being compelled to add the Black College to the Big 10 or BE, I think is unreasonable and again does little for the Black School . It would consign some of them to habitual second division or league basement status . I think a better option for States that have a number of Public Black College is to devote more of the Tax Dollars to these Schools , which is something that Trump has Championed and received little credit for ! He wants more Federal money to go to these Colleges and that is a good thing . I have another question that is more Student oriented than Athlete oriented . That is , why don’t some of these Elite Schools , Duke , Yale , Harvard , etc create a Program that encourages the allegedly better Professors to spend a year or 2 Teaching at a Howard or Grambling or Morehouse ? Let these Professors put their skills to work with a Majority of Black Students in a Academic Capacity .

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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 1 week 7 hours ago #391041

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Holy paragraph
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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 1 week 6 hours ago #391046

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Moose wrote: Holy paragraph


Can you summarize for me? LOL
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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 1 week 5 hours ago #391053

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72...I'm not pandering to anyone lol...I said "would anyone be surprised if power conferences were forced via pressure to admit HBCU's to give them a bigger platform?". What I meant was that if they go that route it will be silly and just a sign of the times. And players can choose to go wherever they want, but all the peer pressure by ESPN to have the top players go to HBCU's does seem to be awfully similar to black separatism and segregation. This is the odd thing the far left has done in the last 10 yrs or so...years ago they want everyone living together and said we need to interact with each other to help understand each other and you were racist if you didn't want that. Now they're saying separating is good if you're black. You see this with the "black house" zone in DC, universities having separate graduations for black students, BLM style groups including black student unions providing spaces where they say only black students can go as a safe space, Killer Mike saying to only buy black products, black owned, and now this talk of wanting top kids to play at HBCU's strongly encouraged if not pushed by liberal sports media and liberal stars like LeBron.

All I want is some consistency. You cannot have different standards for different races and expect anything close to harmony. What we see now is black nationalism due to religious levels of identity politics. If that's what people want, that's fine with me I won't force anyone to believe anything and I won't stop them from associating with who they want to associate with or live where they want to live. I'm strongly opposed to any tribalism or identity politics because they lead to more tension and "us vs. them" mentality...but what the far left does not seem to understand is that if you become obsessed with nationalism and identity with certain minority groups, you will encourage fringe white nationalists to seek the same. If it's wrong and racist for one group to do, it must also be for the other. We also currently have a culture where some racial groups are said to be "incapable" of being racist and that only whites can be. If that seems insane, it's because it is. Racism is simply hating people for their race. But the far left tried changing the definition to include "while also having power" to make it seem like only whites can be racist. I'm all for free association...if you want to live in a diverse area then great. If you want to live in a homogenous area then great. But the wild double standards are only going to bring more racial tension. If a white celebrity said to only shop at white owned stores, commit to white colleges, have white identity patches, they would rightfully be called racist and that would be the tip of the iceberg in terms of consequences for that. We need to move away from tribalism and back to individualism and seeing ourselves as Americans.
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Moose wrote: Holy paragraph


Just be thankful it wasn't in ALL CAPS... :silly:
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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 5 days 22 hours ago #391200

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Mike Zaun wrote: 72...I'm not pandering to anyone lol...I said "would anyone be surprised if power conferences were forced via pressure to admit HBCU's to give them a bigger platform?". What I meant was that if they go that route it will be silly and just a sign of the times. And players can choose to go wherever they want, but all the peer pressure by ESPN to have the top players go to HBCU's does seem to be awfully similar to black separatism and segregation. This is the odd thing the far left has done in the last 10 yrs or so...years ago they want everyone living together and said we need to interact with each other to help understand each other and you were racist if you didn't want that. Now they're saying separating is good if you're black. You see this with the "black house" zone in DC, universities having separate graduations for black students, BLM style groups including black student unions providing spaces where they say only black students can go as a safe space, Killer Mike saying to only buy black products, black owned, and now this talk of wanting top kids to play at HBCU's strongly encouraged if not pushed by liberal sports media and liberal stars like LeBron.

All I want is some consistency. You cannot have different standards for different races and expect anything close to harmony. What we see now is black nationalism due to religious levels of identity politics. If that's what people want, that's fine with me I won't force anyone to believe anything and I won't stop them from associating with who they want to associate with or live where they want to live. I'm strongly opposed to any tribalism or identity politics because they lead to more tension and "us vs. them" mentality...but what the far left does not seem to understand is that if you become obsessed with nationalism and identity with certain minority groups, you will encourage fringe white nationalists to seek the same. If it's wrong and racist for one group to do, it must also be for the other. We also currently have a culture where some racial groups are said to be "incapable" of being racist and that only whites can be. If that seems insane, it's because it is. Racism is simply hating people for their race. But the far left tried changing the definition to include "while also having power" to make it seem like only whites can be racist. I'm all for free association...if you want to live in a diverse area then great. If you want to live in a homogenous area then great. But the wild double standards are only going to bring more racial tension. If a white celebrity said to only shop at white owned stores, commit to white colleges, have white identity patches, they would rightfully be called racist and that would be the tip of the iceberg in terms of consequences for that. We need to move away from tribalism and back to individualism and seeing ourselves as Americans.


I understand what you are saying and I know that racism transcends just one color code and includes Blacks of different hues, Asians and Hispanics.
I used to have spirited discussions about the "whites only can be racist " with a former SJ great to point where I said something to the effect of why did he marry a white European girl then. Because if love has no color then neither does hate.
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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 14 hours 27 minutes ago #391898

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Well our theory is about to be tested. Makur Maker (5 star prospect) younger brother of Thon Maker just chose Howard University over Kentucky, UCLA, Memphis and Kansas.
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Sju grad 13 wrote: Well our theory is about to be tested. Makur Maker (5 star prospect) younger brother of Thon Maker just chose Howard University over Kentucky, UCLA, Memphis and Kansas.


Wonderful news, I hope this is the first of many and for many a year to come. It may prove to be a game changer for the HBCU schools. If Kamala Harris is selected by Biden to be his running mate it would also be very positive publicity for Howard University of which she is a graduate. Anxiously awaiting the shift in sports power to the HBCUs and the money that comes with it, which is long overdue.
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Why HBCUs could again become serious options for elite basketball prospects 7 hours 15 minutes ago #391932

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Sju grad 13 wrote: Well our theory is about to be tested. Makur Maker (5 star prospect) younger brother of Thon Maker just chose Howard University over Kentucky, UCLA, Memphis and Kansas.


TBF Makur was talking about Howard for a long time.
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