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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370349

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thrilled with the comeback the loss was a killer but overall encouraged that the team didnt give up after that horrible first half.. Nothing some new years celebrating couldn't cure

Rutherford is defitnely someone I can root for
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370351

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IDRAFT wrote: Although the rebounding has been stronger on the offensive side against other teams the overall rebounding disparity needs context. There are no rebounds to be had if you steal the ball first.


We had 19 DR to 13 OR by Butler for a .594 rebound rate on Butler misses.
We had 5 OR to 33 DR by Butler for a .132 rebound rate on our misses.

Rebound rate has nothing to do with amount of missed shots. It just measures the percentage of missed shots that you secure.

Average rebound rate for the team on defense should be a shade over 70%.

Now,extending your defense full court and applying pressure and traps on the perimeter will lead to a lowering of the expected rebounding rate.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370352

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Mike Zaun wrote:

usguard wrote: But to be a great shooter first you have to be given that gift.that said a great shooter can become great because he had the gift to start with.so a not so good shooter thru hrs of shots everyday possibly can become a good shooter but never great
I don’t what the heck I said Maybe it makes sense to some or perhaps I am the only one lol



True...look at Pacshall. Went from zero shot to a huge 3 PT threat due to development. I think Champ can become a legit shooter and maybe Dunn, but we get into a lot of trouble when we can only make like 18% or less from 3 most games. That's really bad. We need a Mussini or Jordan Tucker type guy to be able to step in and nail them regularly. I'm hopeful CMA will find some. I also hope the results thus far will lead to at least one or two 4 star recruits committing to us. The hardest part is starting the trend. Once you get a few good recruiting classes, other high recruits seem to follow suit.


No one is born a great shooter. They have athletic ability that supports the skill components that support shooting (just being athletic doesn't ensure this will happen) and then through hard work and good coaching become fundamentally sound and consistent. It's about being able to square up, stay properly balanced and have a consistent and repeatable release point. Yes, some are more naturally comfortable with this skill set than others, but it still comes down to hard work to be able to execute at this level.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370355

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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370360

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Logen wrote:

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Logen wrote: After we squandered leads in previous games, many, including myself, talked about basketball being a game of runs and it is. So we had a tremendous 2nd half run, got a lead late and then couldn’t close it out. It’s about W’s and L’s and in my opinion there are no moral victories and that was a bad loss. Another example of us not knowing how to play with a lead. And I may be harsh but Dunn backing that ball out was a “me” play and I just don’t see it.


Great point on Dunn play, inexplicable.


Yeah, I get that but that's an NYC pg mentality. He wants the ball in the end. Seems we forgot what he did against wvu at the end. You've got to live with it, good or bad until this team has more offensive talent.


I did not comment on him having the ball, I commented on what he did with it. Having said that, In
don’t buy that “NYC guard” or having to live with poor decisions in the end game for a second. Just because someone wants the ball doesn’t mean they should have it. He made a good play against WVU but one play does not give him a free pass to do whatever he wants at the end of games. He scores because he is a volume shooter not because he is anything other than an average offensive player. Frankly and unfortunately, we have a team of them, including, up to now, Heron and Figueroa.
One last point, no way in hell did we lose that game because of the last play. I just thought he made a very poor decision and pointed it out.


Okay, on that last play who else was going to take that shot? Perhaps the play was drawn up for him. Frankly I don't think anybody on the floor, including LJ who was cold, wanted that responsibility, because he got the ball and gave it right back.

As we have both stated, we don't have the scorers right now. Maybe Heron when he comes back, maybe LJ if he wasn't in lala land, but that night Dunn was the man. Should he have backed the ball out, no, but that's the way it played out.

And BTW, he also tied the Vermont game for us on a last second shot in regulation, so he's got some cred in my book.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370362

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The bottom line is you can't win games without shooters...and we have no shooters. We "solved" the free throw problem that killed us earlier in the year...so maybe.

I don't think anyone in the country defends as well as we do...but with no one who can shoot...we're toast.

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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370365

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I think "we're toast" is a little harsh. I prefer to say that game by game, our success will depend on our offensive output that night. Overall, I believe we will be competitive most nights, because of that defense.

newsman13 wrote: The bottom line is you can't win games without shooters...and we have no shooters. We "solved" the free throw problem that killed us earlier in the year...so maybe.

I don't think anyone in the country defends as well as we do...but with no one who can shoot...we're toast.

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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370370

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newsman13 wrote: The bottom line is you can't win games without shooters...and we have no shooters. We "solved" the free throw problem that killed us earlier in the year...so maybe.

I don't think anyone in the country defends as well as we do...but with no one who can shoot...we're toast.


LJ, Heron and Caraher can all shoot from beyond 3. Wish we ran more plays for Caraher to get him open, since he can’t create for himself. Champ has shown the ability to hit the open 3, and think Dunn has potential to be a good outside shooter with work. Butler defense gave him the open shot, which he couldn’t hit. If he can start nailing that shot with some regularity, then his drive becomes that much more effective. Think there’s some hope for our outside shooting. Need more work to be more consistent.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370371

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Monte wrote:

newsman13 wrote: The bottom line is you can't win games without shooters...and we have no shooters. We "solved" the free throw problem that killed us earlier in the year...so maybe.

I don't think anyone in the country defends as well as we do...but with no one who can shoot...we're toast.


LJ, Heron and Caraher can all shoot from beyond 3. Wish we ran more plays for Caraher to get him open, since he can’t create for himself. Champ has shown the ability to hit the open 3, and think Dunn has potential to be a good outside shooter with work. Butler defense gave him the open shot, which he couldn’t hit. If he can start nailing that shot with some regularity, then his drive becomes that much more effective. Think there’s some hope for our outside shooting. Need more work to be more consistent.


Exactly. On that night two of our "outside shooters" were MIA and Caraher needs time and space. Also, you've got to credit Butler's D because they had us covered on that last play.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 4 months 3 weeks ago #370372

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You know, it is hard to evaluate the team overall since we've rarely (if ever) seen the entire team at 100%, including Steere.

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