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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366299

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This is the first time opened this thread because I felt his life choice and what happened was his his own, not ours. But having seen this for about a week, I thought about when he first came to St. John's with all that potential and I would have seen this topic as a future discussion when he was released from the NBA. How life has changed--everyone deserves a second chance. I hope he gets one and takes proper advantage of it.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366302

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?

Paid a price and given the enormous challenges he faced, I think he deserves a 2nd chance.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366306

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?

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I would be disappointed if StJohn's did not attempt to work with Rysheed, or any other former athlete to akkow them to obtain their degree. If the individual qualifies for financial aid then they are entitled to it.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366313

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?

I'd be fine with it personally.. Everyone in life needs a second chance at some point for differing reasons
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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?

I'd be fine with it personally.. Everyone in life needs a second chance at some point for differing reasons


He needs guidance and a new path in life, but would he be in a dorm with other students?
They might feel uncomfortable living with someone who was charged with attempted murder.
What if he snaps for any reason?

If SJU did accept him back, I know he'd have alot of counselling sessions, gotta make sure his mind is right.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366319

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?


Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.

Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.

It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?

Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366321

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?


Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.

Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.

It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?

Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.


Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366326

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I have shared this before; decades ago I attended a one day HS coaches clinic culminating in a dinner. It was attended by about 40-50 coaches and Al McGuire worked the clinic and spoke at the dinner. Part of his talk addressed the responsibilities schools have to their athletes and suggested that colleges should extend scholarships way past the years of athletic eligibility in order for athletes to get “real” degrees (remember, this was at a time when all players stayed for four years). More interestingly to me, he also suggested that schools set up organized “tutoring classes” primarily manned with students interested in entering the teaching professions to educate athletes from the level appropriate to their prior education in order to realistically improve their chances of eventually getting a legitimate degree. Obviously it never went anywhere but I have never forgot how insightful and common sensical it was. He also suggested such a concept, starting with sports, could be branched out to help other potential college candidates; he described it as possibly the seedlings to grow into a “domestic educational corps” or something to that affect, patterned after the Peace Corps. For any who knew or know of Al McGuire, he was a brilliant, street smart, free thinker who was so much more than just basketball.
As to panther’s question, I look on that in a more hypothetical sense than just Rysheed Jordan. I am in favor of second chances, my caveat being if the recipients go through the vetting others have described and are deemed worthy, that they be not only realistically assisted to better their chances of succeeding but also monitored stringently to ensure they are putting in the effort required to better themselves and not just abuse the second opportunity as they did the first one.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366328

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Monte wrote:

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panther2 wrote: I have a question for everyone. Basketball may or may not be over for Rysheed, no one really knows. However, if he were to decide that he wanted to return to St. Johns and pursue a Degree in Human Service and Counseling, how would you feel.? Would anyone be adverse to the school offering him financial aid? Would anyone involved in Health Care offer him an Internship or Summer employment?


Panther, I'm pretty sure weve allowed former players to come back and finish degrees. I don't think an official policy exists but my take is that sju has always looked after men's bb players in this way.

Despite rysheed leaving after 2 years I'd be all for it provided he met certain conditions of behavior set.

It's a really strange situation, compared to say Jayson. Jayson killed a man, allegedly acting like an out of control ass trying to do something funny or to scare the guy. Rysheed pulled the trigger with a different intent. Whose act was worse based on intent?

Panther, I know you have a big heart for our players, as do I, and I admire that about you. If we are sincere in caring about them as humans and not commodities, we should all feel that way.


Question for you and everyone Beast; shouldn't any former SJU student(not just a basketball player) be given a second chance by the school provided they meet certain conditions?


Monte, one of our common bonds as you know is your hs experience. In my opinion, there may not be a finer place anywhere. My son thrived there and you also hold the school in esteem.

There are certain things that your hs regards as an egregious offense that warrants expulsion. In late May of my son's freshman year, about 10 kids got expelled for stealing from the cafeteria, including some seniors just weeks away from graduation.

I questioned the harshness of this to my son, who as he has done many times in my life, taught his parent well. (CSNY)

"No Dad, the punishment wasn't excessive. Many times during the school year we are warned about not stealing a $14,000 muffin or hamburger (then the cost of tuition). They made it clear that there was a price for stealing and these kids chose to ignore it."

As I may have shared with you, the reason I was sold on your hs when we went to the open house was their position on discipline and mercy, and excusing a kid from harsh consequences when circumstances dictate it.

I'm in favor of redemption but the path for those seeking it must be arduous but attainable.

You'd better ask my son Monte, a fellow Son of Xavier. You'd get a response with more wisdom than mine.
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Rysheed Jordan Release 2 months 2 weeks ago #366350

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It’s an interesting debate. But college isn’t for everyone. Sheed didn’t attend classes his final year at SJU, and never showed an interest in academics. Like a previous poster said, he may be better off at a trade school. Although if possible playing BB overseas would be his best bet.
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