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Caraher 3 months 2 weeks ago #351492

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I have been involved in basketball in one way or another for 50+ years and it still never ceases to amaze me, and makes me jealous, that some people can judge and rate players they have never seen play. :P :P :P
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Caraher 3 months 1 week ago #351499

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Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.

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Caraher 3 months 1 week ago #351505

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richard A Steinfeld wrote: Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.


We all know the game, rankings after the top 10-20 players are pretty useless. So are stars, even you’re very generalized comparison. Like you said it is all speculation until you see a player, which was my point. Especially when you are recruiting for a particular style of play, like Anderson. We were chock full of stars on our two last NCAA teams and tanked both years.
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Caraher 3 months 1 week ago #351507

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It’s all a jigsaw puzzle. The right players have the fit the right puzzle with the right coach leading them.

Who was Pascal Siakam coming out of HS as a recent example. Not highly rated. Two great years in school went to NBA. Did some time in G league and now look. I want players that will fit our puzzle. Will run thru wall for coach and teammates. That won’t cower and run first sign of adversity. We’ve had some top players as others have mentioned. And they have been polarizing because with their talents also came quite a few warts and headaches
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Caraher 3 months 1 week ago #351509

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QueensBall wrote: Fan since the early-mid 90's born & raised in Queens, moved to the West Coast a few years back. Lurking on this site for the past year and a half has helped fill the void of not having anyone to talk SJU hoops with aside from when my poor wife lets me rant aloud about it during games. Hopefully less ranting and more praising in the near future.

Wanted to take a moment to talk about Caraher since I've heard so little about him. I know basing things off of highlight vids is often folly but I rewatched a couple of his (which is what hoop-starved lunatics do in the off-season, right?) and although he is certainly the slow-footed, white-guy 3 pt bombing cliche we probably all originally pegged him as, I wonder if he can be a little more?

He appears to be a good outside shooter with his feet set but he's also a much bigger guy than I realized. One of the things that was encouraging about his highlights is that he appears to understand spacing better than most young guys. He realizes his size allows him to space the floor in ways other than just camping out on the perimeter. He goes down to the block and although he isn't quick, he uses little faints, spins, up and under type moves to score down low. I wonder if his size and offensive intuition may allow him to be plugged into some interesting lineups and let him get more burn than I originally anticipated. I won't pretend to know anything about him other than watching a few videos so it's possible he's an atrocious defender or there's some other reason that will prevent him from seeing the floor much. Anyone more informed about the guy have an opinion? As you can see based on this post I'll also gladly accept wild speculation and theories backed up by very little knowledge :)


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Thanks for the insights and information -here’s a statement that strikes me as promising about C’s ability to contribute at the BE level:
“they (St. Johns) were able to beat out more nationally prominent programs such as Oklahoma State and Nevada for his services”
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Caraher 3 months 1 week ago #351510

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Moose wrote: It’s all a jigsaw puzzle. The right players have the fit the right puzzle with the right coach leading them.

Who was Pascal Siakam coming out of HS as a recent example. Not highly rated. Two great years in school went to NBA. Did some time in G league and now look. I want players that will fit our puzzle. Will run thru wall for coach and teammates. That won’t cower and run first sign of adversity. We’ve had some top players as others have mentioned. And they have been polarizing because with their talents also came quite a few warts and headaches


Agree to some extent. Willard at the Hall has grabbed a lot of guys without gaudy numbers and rankings and done well. I’m ok with it if they are warriors.

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richard A Steinfeld wrote: Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.


We all know the game, rankings after the top 10-20 players are pretty useless. So are stars, even you’re very generalized comparison. Like you said it is all speculation until you see a player, which was my point. Especially when you are recruiting for a particular style of play, like Anderson. We were chock full of stars on our two last NCAA teams and tanked both years.

I’m referring to the average fan, not you nor staff. That is all we have to use to judge players , plus the opinions of people like you and info from those close to the program. But generally speaking I’d rather get a player ranked 50 than 200. The stars system isn’t an exact science but it is done by recruiting evaluators.Of course Keita was a top 100 3rd year player plus Freud and Yakwe were also 4 stars and look how that turned out. It is also important to have complimentary pieces and good chemistry. Hopefully MA got us hard working diamonds in the rough. Other factors include attitude, discipline, work ethic and going to classes.But you still need skill.

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richard A Steinfeld wrote: Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.


We all know the game, rankings after the top 10-20 players are pretty useless. So are stars, even you’re very generalized comparison. Like you said it is all speculation until you see a player, which was my point. Especially when you are recruiting for a particular style of play, like Anderson. We were chock full of stars on our two last NCAA teams and tanked both years.

I’m referring to the average fan, not you nor staff. That is all we have to use to judge players , plus the opinions of people like you and info from those close to the program. But generally speaking I’d rather get a player ranked 50 than 200. The stars system isn’t an exact science but it is done by recruiting evaluators.Of course Keita was a top 100 3rd year player plus Freud and Yakwe were also 4 stars and look how that turned out. It is also important to have complimentary pieces and good chemistry. Hopefully MA got us hard working diamonds in the rough. Other factors include attitude, discipline, work ethic and going to classes.But you still need skill.


All good, understand and generally agree. My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek to those who choose to give more detailed opinions based on,IMO, nothing of substance.
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Logen wrote:

richard A Steinfeld wrote:

Logen wrote:

richard A Steinfeld wrote: Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.


We all know the game, rankings after the top 10-20 players are pretty useless. So are stars, even you’re very generalized comparison. Like you said it is all speculation until you see a player, which was my point. Especially when you are recruiting for a particular style of play, like Anderson. We were chock full of stars on our two last NCAA teams and tanked both years.

I’m referring to the average fan, not you nor staff. That is all we have to use to judge players , plus the opinions of people like you and info from those close to the program. But generally speaking I’d rather get a player ranked 50 than 200. The stars system isn’t an exact science but it is done by recruiting evaluators.Of course Keita was a top 100 3rd year player plus Freud and Yakwe were also 4 stars and look how that turned out. It is also important to have complimentary pieces and good chemistry. Hopefully MA got us hard working diamonds in the rough. Other factors include attitude, discipline, work ethic and going to classes.But you still need skill.


All good, understand and generally agree. My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek to those who choose to give more detailed opinions based on,IMO, nothing of substance.


I admit that with this new staff and players I don't know much to offer good opinions and that is a relief in a sense. Finally we can just root for the home team.
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Class of 72 wrote:

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richard A Steinfeld wrote:

Logen wrote:

richard A Steinfeld wrote: Judging incoming players are done by looking there HS rankings and performance at previous schools. Generally speaking a 5 star player is better then a 3 star play. But it’s still speculation.


We all know the game, rankings after the top 10-20 players are pretty useless. So are stars, even you’re very generalized comparison. Like you said it is all speculation until you see a player, which was my point. Especially when you are recruiting for a particular style of play, like Anderson. We were chock full of stars on our two last NCAA teams and tanked both years.

I’m referring to the average fan, not you nor staff. That is all we have to use to judge players , plus the opinions of people like you and info from those close to the program. But generally speaking I’d rather get a player ranked 50 than 200. The stars system isn’t an exact science but it is done by recruiting evaluators.Of course Keita was a top 100 3rd year player plus Freud and Yakwe were also 4 stars and look how that turned out. It is also important to have complimentary pieces and good chemistry. Hopefully MA got us hard working diamonds in the rough. Other factors include attitude, discipline, work ethic and going to classes.But you still need skill.


All good, understand and generally agree. My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek to those who choose to give more detailed opinions based on,IMO, nothing of substance.


I admit that with this new staff and players I don't know much to offer good opinions and that is a relief in a sense. Finally we can just root for the home team.


Generally, neither do I, although if a player is from or has a connection to Jersey, I can generally get pretty good info. I agree with the rooting mind set.

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