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Jeff Goodman's Preseason Top 25 3 months 2 weeks ago #351188

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Class of 72 wrote:

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Beast of the East wrote: looks like this will be a tough season for our guys to win more than 6 or 7 games in conference, but some of you may know better.


Maybe the next 2019 player addition will change that. IMO the only significant loss was Shamorie Ponds and to some extent Justin. The season is a long way off.


And Clark, and Keita, the only big man who got minutes. Actually we are down (ponds, keita, clark, simon, and Trimble) 5 of our 7 rotation players.


That Keita and Trimble were rotation players was part of the problem and their leaving is now part of the solution. Had Mullin stayed on as coach my guess is we could have lost all 3 freshmen AND Keita, Ponds and Clark. Heron showed no growth whatsoever under the tutelage of Mitch Richmond.
I think we can be as good a team as last year if we add one more piece. For the first time in 4 years I feel optimistic.


IF we do get that Grad Transfer or Juco PG, I think you may be right,’72.
But I admit that’s being optimistic given the Big East is stacking up to be much stronger next season.
But I fully believe we’ll be ‘competitive’ and squeak out a winning record if we do get that PG.

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Jeff Goodman's Preseason Top 25 3 months 2 weeks ago #351195

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Earlier Beast prognostication of 6 or 7 wins in conference is reasonable considering BE returns many talented players. Let us not forget we only won 8 conference games last year. Add a point guard and be competitive seems realistic goal for year one. It is all about changing culture and building a foundation going forward imo.
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Nobody has much faith in Roberts, Ellington, Caraher,or Williams? They looked much improved in latter part of the season. I think Roberts will become a beast, if given an opportunity. Haven’t seen Steere, Wright,etc. in action so would be silly to make a prediction. Coaching will do more than anyone can estimate to prep these guys for BE. And with the chaotic style Anderson’s runs it will hide some weaknesses. Role play will become very important. If you put a guy into top of 1-3-1 who can create havoc , he doesn’t necessarily have to be a great shooter. I’m not convinced that Thornton is a positive here with his weak stats. Wouldn’t be afraid to go with what we already have at the point, although help would be welcome.

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Class of 72 wrote:

Beast of the East wrote:

Class of 72 wrote:

Beast of the East wrote: looks like this will be a tough season for our guys to win more than 6 or 7 games in conference, but some of you may know better.


Maybe the next 2019 player addition will change that. IMO the only significant loss was Shamorie Ponds and to some extent Justin. The season is a long way off.


And Clark, and Keita, the only big man who got minutes. Actually we are down (ponds, keita, clark, simon, and Trimble) 5 of our 7 rotation players.


That Keita and Trimble were rotation players was part of the problem and their leaving is now part of the solution. Had Mullin stayed on as coach my guess is we could have lost all 3 freshmen AND Keita, Ponds and Clark. Heron showed no growth whatsoever under the tutelage of Mitch Richmond.
I think we can be as good a team as last year if we add one more piece. For the first time in 4 years I feel optimistic.


I think the best realistic hope is that we do fairly well in the OOC season, we finally get a sense of a team that is well coached and with a purpose, and they become a tough out in conference. I think the future is brighter than it has been in a while, especially considering how the Lavin and Mullin tenures ended. think more than 6 wins in conference would be a pleasant surprise, and more than 7 wins a resounding success. I think it's just a fair assessment. We are losing a lot of offense, and every good team has three confide offensive weapons.
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Jeff Goodman's Preseason Top 25 3 months 2 weeks ago #351202

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Fred Solomon wrote: Nobody has much faith in Roberts, Ellington, Caraher,or Williams? They looked much improved in latter part of the season. I think Roberts will become a beast, if given an opportunity. Haven’t seen Steere, Wright,etc. in action so would be silly to make a prediction. Coaching will do more than anyone can estimate to prep these guys for BE. And with the chaotic style Anderson’s runs it will hide some weaknesses. Role play will become very important. If you put a guy into top of 1-3-1 who can create havoc , he doesn’t necessarily have to be a great shooter. I’m not convinced that Thornton is a positive here with his weak stats. Wouldn’t be afraid to go with what we already have at the point, although help would be welcome.


Not at all into predictions but especially in the situation SJU is in for next year. Completely new system, one which would appear to be favorable to Williams and Roberts. Figueroa and Heron give us experienced scorers and defense wins. If we can turn the press into some cheap scores we could surprise. As I have posted before, hard, hustling defense and ball sharing can take a team a long way and they are the two constants of Anderson's teams through the years.
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Jeff Goodman's Preseason Top 25 3 months 2 weeks ago #351203

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I think the conference record is generally much easier to predict within 2 wins or so. Even IF we are a good team, are we good enough to have a winning record or even .500 record against the upper eschelon BE teams - probably not. And if we are good, are we got enough to mop up , especially away, against the bottom 4 teams - again probably not. So, sub .500 in conference a strong likelihood. If optimistic I'd say 6-7 wins, if pessimistic, 5-6 wins - I guess an over under of 6.

The most important thing is we play an inspired type of basketball, and put a team on the floor that doesn't make the type of mistakes late that we have been accustomed to seeing for the longest time. Beyond wins, seeing a disciplined well coached team, which we haven't seen since the Jarvis years (which for my tastes put the harnesses on players a bit too much), would really give our fans a lot of confidence for the future in the Anderson era.
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Defense will need to drive next years team. Outside of Figueroa and Heron and I just don’t see where we get enough offense. SJU needs to become the annoying team to play. Sounds like that is Coach MA’s long term goal. Just not sure we have the skill or bodies yet to be that consistently enough in Year 1.
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This is a good thread. Not too OT and well-said / well-thought-out posts that've captured most prevailing variables i think.
It'll be a challenging year with much scoring power lost from last year, a revamped / strengthened BEC, and a new coach with a late start, implementing a new system.
It'll be all about establishing a new culture of 40 MOH, featuring sharing the ball and intense Defense.
Heron and Figueroa as well as Wright and Williams should thrive in it and Steere and Sears should give us some muscle and Roberts some athleticism up front.
It'll be a 'foundational' year.
Looking forward to it despite the challenges and the uncertainties.
Go Redmen.
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Chicago Days wrote: This is a good thread. Not too OT and well-said / well-thought-out posts that've captured most prevailing variables i think.
It'll be a challenging year with much scoring power lost from last year, a revamped / strengthened BEC, and a new coach with a late start, implementing a new system.
It'll be all about establishing a new culture of 40 MOH, featuring sharing the ball and intense Defense.
Heron and Figueroa as well as Wright and Williams should thrive in it and Steere and Sears should give us some muscle and Roberts some athleticism up front.
It'll be a 'foundational' year.
Looking forward to it despite the challenges and the uncertainties.
Go Redmen.


Very good post. I'm no sold on 40 MOH just yet till I see it. Mullin promised the "fittest team in the country" and instead we got the most worn out group of key players. You need a bench where this isn't much of a fall off, or you change strategy when certain players are inserted to maximize their strengths and exploit opponents weaknesses. IF 40 MOH materializes I suspect it will be when we have a roster filled with specific type recruited by CMA for that purpose, with appropriate depth, length, and speed, and most of all intensity.
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Again, no way anyone can predict a win total as of now without seeing these guys under these coaches and or possibly adding another piece or 2. Could it be low because of Big East improvement? maybe Could it be low because we have some new pieces and lost some key guys? maybe. But maybe these guys thrive in new system. We all do not know anything just yet. With certainty we possibly underachieved last year for whatever the reasons were so to compare to last seasons team doesn't make sense to me. On paper we should have been better for sure.
So how many conference wins this year? 2? 5? 8? This year is a complete unknown at this point. To predict a win total doesn't make sense at this point. Now if you go off anderson's track record then .500 or better we will be overall but of course time will tell about that record he hopes to continue
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