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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339053

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Let’s put on our big boy pants and hire Pitino!
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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339063

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adavis1 wrote: If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?


The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.


Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?

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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339064

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Knight wrote:

IDRAFT wrote:

adavis1 wrote: If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?


The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.


Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?


Not to change topic, but you should see the guy SJ gets to do talks at the school...he's a radical activist and a reverend or something. Weird.

Anyway, Coach K and Dicky V both signed off on Pitino...seems like Hurley stuff may be dying down. Pull the trigger and put SJ back on the national map in the top 25 every year making runs.

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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339076

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Are you guys nuts?

A high profile guy coaching at a high profile school still went along with paying players to come to Louisville to attain success. You really think at 65 he is going to have the energy to build a clean program the old fashioned way?

On a number of fronts this just won't happen IMO.

On the other hand a once proud program in shambles hiring a once proud coach whose career ended in shambles might be a match.

Find it hard to see Cragg and Pitino together. Even harder to see Bobby G. Signing off on this. But also would say it appears without a Vincentian president that the BOT has a much bigger say in things
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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339077

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docbutler wrote: While I personally don't see the St. John's hierarchy hiring a coach sporting the obvious scars of Rick Pitino...I must say that for me, this hire is fairly simple. Let's face the facts. We just basically fired the school's all-time hero because he "WASN'T WINNING". We have come to this board and cried in our beers for the last 25 years, because this program is frustratingly underwhelming. We've seen coaches come and go, Athletic Director's come and go, and the promise of this big man, or another, go as well. I don't know how many of you are as disgusted as I am? I stare at my TV screen trying to figure out how, they seem to have quality centers at Division I programs, so far in the sticks, I'm almost surprised they have electricity. We live in the most fantastic media market in the world...but we can't find a coach who can recruit here?....Impossible!!!! But we are now at an important crossroads. We have been in the crosshairs of obscurity for so long, it is threatening to become a permanent condition. We have several key players positioned to leave the program....a ground zero if you will. It is 4th and 20...and there is two minutes left in the game. It is time for a home run...a full court shot! In the wake of firing our school hero, anything less seems antithetical! Presumably, we let Chris go because we have a WILL TO WIN!. If that is the case, then anything less than hiring the best possible option to make that happen, makes no sense. If morality is your chief concern, then why didn't you simply stay with Mullin. There isn't an available coach in America (assuming he were actually interested), who could potentially breathe competitive life into this Red Storm program. His past travesties...who cares? He carries denial of those travesties and well, isn't forgiveness and rehabilitation part of our Christian message? Rick Pitino has delivered at every program where he has participated in his storied career. He is a man who understands this game and recognizes court situations, and also knows how to recruit. His name will attract important talent. Our program is in severe need of this sort of authentic boost. It will take a tremendous coach to overcome our obvious recruiting deficits....no football, home-coming, or a transient student population. It will take a Rick Pitino, if anyone at all can do it! This is hardly the time for moralistic platitudes. I watch St. John's basketball with an intense desire to see us win. For those two hours, that is what matters to me. I save church, and the ramblings of behavioral perfection, for Sunday mornings!


Interesting post. So, the program is in such dire straits that only a “home run” hire in Rick Pitino can save it? Except for Pitino killed the golden goose at Louisville such that he’s coaching in Greece, mostly of his own doing. He has plausible deniability. So what? I didn’t know my players had hookers in their dorm? Really? The way I heard it, none of his players had a single beer without him knowing it. Ever. There isn’t a major program in America that would hire him. If Mike Rice was vetoed as an assistant, like the Forbes article says, how will they justify Pitino.

Pitino might be the fastest route to bringing 5 star recruits, but there is a mercenary quality to that as well. I’d rather see a professional AD, for a change, hire a professional coaching staff with excellent recruiters, game planning and player development and rebuild permanently from there. I’m hoping we have that. We shall see.


Jonesy...My post is simply one man's opinion. And I certainly respect yours. In answer to what you printed I would say "Yes, our program is very definitely in dire straights". There is murmuring of several players transferring and as you've seen, Justin Simon is planning to enter the draft. You are correct in saying that the scandal at Louisville very definitely had a negative impact on the school. They had wins vacated for three years (years that averaged 32 wins each), including a National Championship. However, when Denny Crum left the program, his final year was a miserable 12-19 record. That was 2000-2001. Pitino took over in 2001 and immediately changed that culture to 19-13. His subsequent years were (2002-3) 25-7 (2003-4) 20-10 (2004-5) 33-5. In 2005-6 Louisville transferred into the Big East and the team subsequently post as follows: (2005-6) 21-13 (2006-7) 24-10 (2007-8) 27-9 (2008-9) 31-6 (2009-10) 20-13
(2010-11) 25-10. The Louisville team hasn't stopped playing. He established a winning culture there that exists to the current year. What are you saying my friend?...That the Louisville Program had to suffer the indignity of vacating 96 wins over three years plus a National Championship? Excuse me, but I'll take it! Our dignity has remained intact, but the hair on my head has been falling out at a pretty rapid pace watching our team fail and fail again. Mercenary quality?....Are you kidding? Everything about college basketball has a mercenary aspect to it! Fastest route to a five star recruit? Where...I want it! A four-star recruit at St. John's is major news. We haven't had a McDonalds All-American since Washington recruited Hamilton. And what is a professional coaching staff? What does that mean? We had two NBA Hall of Famers just leave. How professional do you want to go? Sorry Jonesy, but the only guy out there that can clean up this mess, considering what might be available, is Pitino.
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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339084

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If history is our guide, SJU will hire a “nice guy” who will give us 16-18 wins a year, one or two ncaa first round exits, and a clean program. (I’m thinking Cluess)
The amazing thing is that the school basically let Fr. Harrington skate with a nice cushy retirement for commuting fraud! Selling degrees, no interest loans for his boyfriend, etc. But now they are holier than thou? I have not sent a dime to the school since the Harrington debacle, I was so disgusted. Amazing the hypocrisy. Hire Pitino, and at least try to breathe life into this program!
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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339089

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With our universe falling apart every day, there is still hope.

www.zagsblog.com/2019/04/09/rick-pitino-...back-to-elite-level/

As far as Rick's tainted history goes, if he can be "clean" for a few (4?) years while winning, some other school or NBA team will hire him away. The risk to the university's reputation seems pretty limited. The cash potential seems significant.

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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339095

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Let us not forget that the now-vaunted head coach at Seton Hall paid $$$ to acquire his star player in a desperate bid to keep his job. And guess what? It worked.

Strippers? Prostitutes? SJU was an innovator in that area. We do not need to return to those tactics, of course. But let’s get off the moral high horse and make the program relevant again.
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Pitino 8 months 1 day ago #339098

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At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.

He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.

Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.

Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.

Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76

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Beast of the East wrote: At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.

He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.

Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.

Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.

Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76


I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.

I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.
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