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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322108

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I don't think we should start a roster of walk ons, but individual players need to be pulled at certain times. If they're replaced for a couple minutes with walk ons then so be it.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322109

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DoodyNY33 wrote:

Paultzman wrote: Unacceptable excuses tonight;

Weather limited crowd
Heron not himself
Late start
Refs sucked
Berry bobble head distraction

If you want it, get it. How much motivation do you need?


Talent wise, they are a better team than Butler. If they play hard for 40 minutes, they'll win this game. Simple as that.




We'll win tonight because Baldwin and Tucker aren't going to score 30 and 24 points respectively. Once again it's time for Simon to show up and stop Baldwin. Be careful with McDermott who can pop the three. Good preparation for Villanova on Saturday.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322110

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P Simmons wrote: For those of you who are advocating the “lets bring in the walk-ons and teach these snowflakes a lesson” strategy—-let me remind you of the results the last time that strategy was employed:

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
Jan 05, 2014

WASHINGTON — Steve Lavin's bold move on Saturday did not pay off.
Seeking to inspire the Red Storm for its 100th meeting with Georgetown, the coach scrawled a revamped starting five on the locker-room board a few minutes before tip-off. Walk-on Khadim Ndiaye, who had played 14 career minutes, was in it. So was little-used Felix Balamou and sixth man Sir'Dominic Pointer. The idea, Lavin would say, was to right a group that played an awful second half in Tuesday's loss at Xavier.

But Lavin got no spark out of his ploy. In fact the Johnnies didn't even compete. They were an unmitigated disaster in a 77-60 Big East loss to the Hoyas before 10,164 at Verizon Center. The score doesn't reflect how much of a beat-down they endured.


And the reason they lost by that score was because they "started" walk-ons?
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322113

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ron wrote:

P Simmons wrote: For those of you who are advocating the “lets bring in the walk-ons and teach these snowflakes a lesson” strategy—-let me remind you of the results the last time that strategy was employed:

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
Jan 05, 2014

WASHINGTON — Steve Lavin's bold move on Saturday did not pay off.
Seeking to inspire the Red Storm for its 100th meeting with Georgetown, the coach scrawled a revamped starting five on the locker-room board a few minutes before tip-off. Walk-on Khadim Ndiaye, who had played 14 career minutes, was in it. So was little-used Felix Balamou and sixth man Sir'Dominic Pointer. The idea, Lavin would say, was to right a group that played an awful second half in Tuesday's loss at Xavier.

But Lavin got no spark out of his ploy. In fact the Johnnies didn't even compete. They were an unmitigated disaster in a 77-60 Big East loss to the Hoyas before 10,164 at Verizon Center. The score doesn't reflect how much of a beat-down they endured.


And the reason they lost by that score was because they "started" walk-ons?


i would suggest we end the walk on discussion.It is not going to happen.Team needs to be more consistent in the intensity/urgency area.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322117

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P Simmons wrote: For those of you who are advocating the “lets bring in the walk-ons and teach these snowflakes a lesson” strategy—-let me remind you of the results the last time that strategy was employed:

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
Jan 05, 2014

WASHINGTON — Steve Lavin's bold move on Saturday did not pay off.
Seeking to inspire the Red Storm for its 100th meeting with Georgetown, the coach scrawled a revamped starting five on the locker-room board a few minutes before tip-off. Walk-on Khadim Ndiaye, who had played 14 career minutes, was in it. So was little-used Felix Balamou and sixth man Sir'Dominic Pointer. The idea, Lavin would say, was to right a group that played an awful second half in Tuesday's loss at Xavier.

But Lavin got no spark out of his ploy. In fact the Johnnies didn't even compete. They were an unmitigated disaster in a 77-60 Big East loss to the Hoyas before 10,164 at Verizon Center. The score doesn't reflect how much of a beat-down they endured.


I’m not saying you do it for a game or a half.
I’m saying you do it, if needed, in spots to prod key players to be more intense.
It’s a tool an HC should use, if needed, along with old-fashioned red-faced yelling to get your guys moving and performing.
These comments by CM and Clark are very disturbing.
Hopefully, the team brings it tonight, 1-game-at-a-time.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322121

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RJGBOOTSY wrote:

Redmen88 wrote:

RJGBOOTSY wrote:

Redmen88 wrote:

bamafan wrote:

RJGBOOTSY wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: The comments by Mullin and Clark regarding ‘The need to have energy, go full out, and be hungry to win to go with the team’s talent ‘ are disturbing.
It’s obvious we’ve lacked that in key games this year but what the hell?
Isn’t part of coaching motivating your players to bust it from the get-go, by inspiration and holding the PT hammer over their heads?
Damn, play the walk-one if they’ll give 100%.
I’d rather lose by lack of talent than lack of effort.
Anyway, let’s bring it tonight,, but this is disturbing.


Very rare chance of walk - ons seeing significant minutes. This is about winning. Even the scholarship players at 50% effort give the team a better chance of winning. I know it is frustrating but this is it.

Well you don't play the walk on 30 minutes you play him 2-3 minutes if he will exude desire, hustle and effort. You do this to shame and or inspire the main guys to match that desire, hustle and effort.


That is exactly right and what I have been saying for a while. I think it would send a message loud and clear by pulling all 5 starters at the 16 minute mark and leaving the subs in there for 2-3 minutes. The result would be better than letting the starters sleep walk through the entire game. It gets their attention and will get press covergare, shaming the players into more hustle. This is the perfect time to do it as they are playing at CA and the fans would give the subs tons of love.


Sounds good but not going to work in todays world. I want hustle and desire. This could really backfire. Not worth the risk in my opinion.


So you would rather have 5 uninspired players than 5 players hustling and providing an all out effort? I don;t want to watch uninspired players and maybe get to the NCAA tournament and lose a game. I would rather change the culture and have players play with heart. 3* players with heart will beat 4* uninspired players. It is up to the coach to fgure out how to flip the switch.


No not at all. You can have all the hustle you want but at this level you need talent. You find the heart and hustle when you recruit. For the most part our top 8 guys have played with heart and hustle. Roberts showed this as well in the last game.
Yes we have had a few games where we lacked the hustle/heart but for the most part the kids have played inspired. Additionally, over the four years I have seen considerable and more consistent improvement in this area. It does need to get better and it will as we build depth and competition in practice.


I agree that the players have played with heart for much of the year but for whatever reason, every few games they have a stinker against lesser competition, because they think they can just turn it on and overcome the lesser team. This results in a few "bad losses" and because of these bad losses we are sweating out an NCAA bid. All I am saying is if the team looks flat, yank them all for 2-3 minutes and and let that sink in for the players. Don;t let them sleep walk through the entire game. How can Simon come out and play like he did against Marquette and then play like he did against Providence? Be proactive and perhaps the coach can show some tenacity and motivate the players to play harder. Coach should not accept mediocrity aand can show that by yanking players. They will catch on really quick.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322122

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Are our starters enthusiastic about our coaching staff?
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322126

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Going to be a light crowd tonight. I was curious and went on StubHub. Seems to be a massive dump by season ticket holders. You can pick-up a chairback seat for for under $40. There are many of them available.

Team's motivation will have to come from within.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322128

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Johnny Fan wrote: Going to be a light crowd tonight. I was curious and went on StubHub. Seems to be a massive dump by season ticket holders. You can pick-up a chairback seat for for under $40. There are many of them available.

Team's motivation will have to come from within.

Very true. Small crowds always favor the visiting team, but we need this one and hopefully kids don't need crowd motivation to play their behinds off tonight.
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(PRE-GAME) Butler, Tues. Feb. 12, 8:30pm, CBS SN / 970AM 2 months 6 days ago #322129

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Take a page out of the NY Yankees book,
We Play Today, We Win Today, Das It: The Out of Nowhere Greatness of Mariano Duncan
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