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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321837

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RedStormNC wrote: Didnt mean you, specifically, covering for Mullin. Just surprises me that so many keep going back to "no experience". It was a highly questionable decision out of the gate but fans of program supported based on hope/potential.

But he's now got many D1 / Big East games under his belt. He's not inexperienced, any longer.

However flawed he's been in aspects of HC duties, he has the horses to ride this year. He's teetering on the fence of failure or bare minimum acceptable performance (tourney), unless they go on a miraculous run which we all want but less probable.

In year 4 for any coach in any sport lack of experience is no longer an excuse


What coaches have been so successful that after three years of ever coaching they were given a major conference HC position? Do you think Self, Izzo, Cal, Write, Williams and Coach K were already good coaches in under 4 years? Those guys were still wet behind the ears. I know I'm being extreme but IMO its asinine to completely throw out inexperience as a excuse during year 4. Otherwise we'd have beaten Depaul and Georgetown at home.

If you can get your team to beat the #10 team in the country on the road you can get your freaking team to put in an effort at home against Providence or call a time out in the second half and watch a youtube video how to do it
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321848

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mjmaherjr wrote: If you can get your team to beat the #10 team in the country on the road you can get your freaking team to put in an effort at home against Providence or call a time out in the second half and watch a youtube video how to do it


No need to call TO, shoes were already tied
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321850

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fordham96 wrote: We are overstating how good Roberts is, and the lack of playing time early on. He wasn't ready and quite frankly he isn't ready now.

Also keep in mind something many of us pointed out during the early season, struggling against some very bad opponents left them no room to take starters out of those games. That is why not blowing out some of those bad teams hurt. They could not afford to lose those games.



'' He wasn't ready and quite frankly isn't ready now." That's your opinion. And my opinion is based on yesterdays minutes. I liked his performance compared to the ragged play of Keita who up this point has not impressed me at all.

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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321852

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The only reasonable argument in favor of Mullin and staff is that the season isn't over yet.

After a lousy loss the tendency is to assume the rest of the season goes into the toilet, sort of how most experienced fans knew this team was going lose at about the mid-way point of yesterday's second half. We also thought the VCU game was a loss at about the same point, yet Ponds won the game. This season is at about the 13 minute mark of the second half of a game and we gave up a sizable lead. Now, we see what they do down the stretch.

I hate seeing this team underperform for three straight weekends and don't have a fans confidence at this point, but it is far from a miracle to see them finish out 5-2 or 4-3 with a win in the BET.
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321883

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Mean Gene wrote: The Hardaway scenario is not exactly comparable because he took over a program in much better shape than ours. Hardaway has some quality players.


Kids in his city also care who he is. I'm not sure Mullin can say same thing. Older people, yes. High schoolers, probably not.
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321884

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Paultzman wrote: Interesting!
Per Kevin McNamara

“Over the last six seasons, the Friars' record backs up Cooley's words. PC is 12-5 at MSG over that stretch and has beaten St. John's in seven of the last eight meetings.”


Maybe we should hire Cooley.:lol:
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321887

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A few days after and I'm still just as confused as I was at MSG. If you can't win against nothing special teams like PC, G'Town, and DePaul at home with this roster in a down year for the conference, that's a big red flag that something's not right. Just when we finally get 18,000+ and 17,000+ to MSG with some national relevance after sweeping top 10 Marq and we lay an egg. Then you ask why the fans didn't come out for so long. Don't blame the fans, blame the staff. They are responsible for the product and quality of the product on the court. Steve Lavin is having fun with Dollar Beer Nights these days...he's not our coach so don't give me the "he left Mully with nothing" crap. After this season Mullin will have more than enough time to be fairly judged.

As a fanbase we have many who want to avoid the painful reality, so some lower expectations 5x a season and others act as if this is normal with most programs. Guys, this is not normal. Other teams actually beat the teams they're supposed to. Other teams actually live up to and even exceed expectations. Other teams actually have a real "system". Other teams actually have real coaches who have real experience and their head coaches drop everything to recruit. Fighting for our lives to even get to .500 in conference in a year where we start two 5 star players and other 4 star players including one of the best in the nation and one of our best ever in a down year for our conference is a damning sign. We are simply incapable of going on any kind of run, so not sure why anyone is holding out hope for that at this point.
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321888

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Most of that is not rocket science or deep revelation. But, it is exhausting to rehash the same issues over and over again. In the end, the limitations of the program, self-imposed or out of the school's control are what they are.

So, you either root for the team, given those limitations and hoping to see improvement, or you don't. Just rehashing over and over again the same issues helps nothing to make things better and just causes people to get angry or react harshly.

Once the season is over, whether success or failure, the admin will have to either address what they see as needing improvement or let it ride.

Either way, each fan has to decide if they want to root for the team or not on that basis.

Debate and discussion and divergent ideas and opinions is fine, but constant harping is, frankly, tedious.
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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321890

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redmanwest wrote: Most of that is not rocket science or deep revelation. But, it is exhausting to rehash the same issues over and over again. In the end, the limitations of the program, self-imposed or out of the school's control are what they are.

So, you either root for the team, given those limitations and hoping to see improvement, or you don't. Just rehashing over and over again the same issues helps nothing to make things better and just causes people to get angry or react harshly.

Once the season is over, whether success or failure, the admin will have to either address what they see as needing improvement or let it ride.

Either way, each fan has to decide if they want to root for the team or not on that basis.

Debate and discussion and divergent ideas and opinions is fine, but constant harping is, frankly, tedious.


What do you expect to be posted on a fan forum for a team that has played like hot garbage compared to what they were supposed to be? Fans have every right to be frustrated. Of course win or lose we will root like hell for this program, but we are rooting for a program that we know in our hearts could be a lot better and a lot more consistent. Fans by in large have been extremely patient, perhaps even too patient in waiting for things to pan out with Mullin. If they don't pan out this year, who in their right mind expects them to next year with a worse roster? Would anyone bet money this team is better next year? If next year looked promising too and Ponds was staying a few more years, then maybe this season wouldn't be as frustrating. But we all know deep down this is our last real shot at being nationally relevant for probably another 4-6 years at the earliest. Frankly, I think it's tedious to see so many people being so cavalier over such incompetence. We can lose the next 500 games and some would be rationalizing it or re-framing it. That's exactly the culture that needs to be burned down around this program and I hope Cragg does. Sorry, not intending anything personal, just venting.

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(POST-GAME) Providence (MSG), Sat. Feb. 9, Noon, CBS SN, 570AM 7 months 1 week ago #321892

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Mike Zaun wrote:

redmanwest wrote: Most of that is not rocket science or deep revelation. But, it is exhausting to rehash the same issues over and over again. In the end, the limitations of the program, self-imposed or out of the school's control are what they are.

So, you either root for the team, given those limitations and hoping to see improvement, or you don't. Just rehashing over and over again the same issues helps nothing to make things better and just causes people to get angry or react harshly.

Once the season is over, whether success or failure, the admin will have to either address what they see as needing improvement or let it ride.

Either way, each fan has to decide if they want to root for the team or not on that basis.

Debate and discussion and divergent ideas and opinions is fine, but constant harping is, frankly, tedious.


What do you expect to be posted on a fan forum for a team that has played like hot garbage compared to what they were supposed to be? Fans have every right to be frustrated. Of course win or lose we will root like hell for this program, but we are rooting for a program that we know in our hearts could be a lot better and a lot more consistent. Fans by in large have been extremely patient, perhaps even too patient in waiting for things to pan out with Mullin. If they don't pan out this year, who in their right mind expects them to next year with a worse roster? Would anyone bet money this team is better next year? If next year looked promising too and Ponds was staying a few more years, then maybe this season wouldn't be as frustrating. But we all know deep down this is our last real shot at being nationally relevant for probably another 4-6 years at the earliest. Frankly, I think it's tedious to see so many people being so cavalier over such incompetence. We can lose the next 500 games and some would be rationalizing it or re-framing it. That's exactly the culture that needs to be burned down around this program and I hope Cragg does.


Mike, I believe most posters are frustrated with the inconsistency of the team. Many are convinced that Chris was bad choice, others support him strongly, while there seems to be a group on the fence who want to see the season play out.

I have my concerns about staff and would like to see a beefed up recruiting model, but respect positions differ. You can pound away with all your frustrations, but do you actually expect everyone to enthusiastically embrace your position that this is a lost cause? Not happening.

Be honest, if you are convinced this regime is not going to get job done, would you prefer they not make the dance and powers to be axe or put the heat on Mullin? I know you have organized a lot of fan support for games etc. but have you reached point of hoping for complete change sooner than later?
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