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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #313985

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I fear we’ll continue to play fast and furious for 35 mpg in the BEC all season and be winning at that point, but then be body punched for the last 5 minutes, struggling to hang on for wins, unless the Staff makes adjustments and gives guys needed rest.
Let’s hope the Staff now gets this and gives Keita and Williams minutes in key spots.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #313986

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NCJohnnie wrote: As Jack W & others have said, loss was tough because of way we lost it (blowing several nice leads). Imho reason we lost is too many second chance points allowed Nova due to offensive rebounds and 2 of our 5 starters having off games (Heron & Clark shot combined 6-20 with only 8 rebounds between them). We rely heavily on our core 5 and, while we can survive an off game from one of them, it's tough to beat good teams like Nova when 2 of the 5 have off games. Ponds & Simon playing too many minutes also appeared to hurt us at the end as they both looked tired.
Coach & players all said right things after game, except that Coach really didn't address why he hardly played bench other than to say something like "in game situations, foul trouble and didn't overthink it". Hopefully we'll get back to more of the nice 8 man rotation going forward.

Good news is we have 5 very winnable games coming up before Duke, 3 at home and on the road games against Butler & Creighton. Feel like we should take 4 of 5 which would put us at 6-3 at halfway point with 5 out of last 9 at home.


If we can do that that then we have an excellent chance to go 13-5 in conference which is where I thought we needed to be all along in order to solidify and NCAA bid. I think we will get there. Would have loved to win this game but it's not a bad loss as long as we win Saturday. I agree with the sentiment that Mully must use his bench more.


Vs DePaul (W)
Vs Creighton (W) 1-3 on the road
@ Butler (W) Not the same good Butler team
Vs. G-Town (W) This is another war

Gotta get these 4.

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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #313987

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Marillac wrote: There will be some lessons this teams has to learn to go from awful to very good or even great. We all knew this. What makes these lossses tough to accept is we were the better team and we controlled most of the games.

Winning on the road is a skill. Finishing opponents when you are up big is a skill.

Learn from these games and improve.


Agree. And think they will. I actually think team is ready to win late and close especially with Ponds. Already demonstrated VCU, Georgia Tech, GTown. I think it's more that we are not a 40 minute team away from home right now against better competition, and there are things we need to be doing in minutes 1-36 proactively/preventitively to ensure we are there in the last 4 minutes. It's not like it's isolated missed execution here and there that we need to tighten up. We hit a wall, there is very little execution at all, and it's just a question if we can hang on / gut it out. Kids are tough so sometimes we will, but not as much as we could with better game management.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #313991

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4 key differences in this game, probably worth noting because they are unlikely to be isolated to this game under current construct:

1. Wright made in-game adjustments that moved the needle. I doubt he came into yesterday's game pre-determined he was going to zone SJU at the 12 minute mark of the first half. But when SJU made six 3's in the first 7 minutes he did and it was disruptive. Late in the game when Simon got rock Nova defender backed way off him and they denied everyone else - this wore SJU under 10 seconds on the shot clock without getting into offense on 3 different occasions in the last 4 minutes leading to 3 empty possessions.

Outside of a few offensive sets particularly out of timeouts (which is a welcomed addition), I don't think there are many moments "this is an interesting wrinkle from our staff here, let's see how this plays out." I think we have a very defined pre-game strategy which we execute well and are immensely prepared for the opposition. But it seems like the approach is if that's good enough for 40 minutes if it's not, so be it. We don't mix defenses, we don't sub, we don't call timeouts. We just play. I don't like the percentages of that strategy with a 6 man rotation at the Nova level and this year we are capable of winning at the Nova level including on road.

2. There were two of Booth and Paschall. There was only one of Ponds. Figgy took the 5th most shots on the team last night and I don't know how many nights we can have like that. He needs to be more involved. And obviously everyone will have off nights and I think it was little more than that but we will need more from Heron in these types of games.

3. 21-5 bench points. Tough to need to go +17 against opposing starters to get a win. The fact that we went +11 against Nova's starters in their building is frankly an incredible and just another data point on how special our first 5 are, but not sure how much more you can expect that edge to be against good teams.

4. 1 free throw attempt for anyone not named Ponds contrasted against 4-17 from 3 from Clark/Heron/Simon. That's double trouble.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #313996

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SJU1512 wrote: 4 key differences in this game, probably worth noting because they are unlikely to be isolated to this game under current construct:

1. Wright made in-game adjustments that moved the needle. I doubt he came into yesterday's game pre-determined he was going to zone SJU at the 12 minute mark of the first half. But when SJU made six 3's in the first 7 minutes he did and it was disruptive. Late in the game when Simon got rock Nova defender backed way off him and they denied everyone else - this wore SJU under 10 seconds on the shot clock without getting into offense on 3 different occasions in the last 4 minutes leading to 3 empty possessions.

Outside of a few offensive sets particularly out of timeouts (which is a welcomed addition), I don't think there are many moments "this is an interesting wrinkle from our staff here, let's see how this plays out." I think we have a very defined pre-game strategy which we execute well and are immensely prepared for the opposition. But it seems like the approach is if that's good enough for 40 minutes if it's not, so be it. We don't mix defenses, we don't sub, we don't call timeouts. We just play. I don't like the percentages of that strategy with a 6 man rotation at the Nova level and this year we are capable of winning at the Nova level including on road.

2. There were two of Booth and Paschall. There was only one of Ponds. Figgy took the 5th most shots on the team last night and I don't know how many nights we can have like that. He needs to be more involved. And obviously everyone will have off nights and I think it was little more than that but we will need more from Heron in these types of games.

3. 21-5 bench points. Tough to need to go +17 against opposing starters to get a win. The fact that we went +11 against Nova's starters in their building is frankly an incredible and just another data point on how special our first 5 are, but not sure how much more you can expect that edge to be against good teams.

4. 1 free throw attempt for anyone not named Ponds contrasted against 4-17 from 3 from Clark/Heron/Simon. That's double trouble.


I like your analysis and would add one thing: It's a bad trend to allow opposition to pound offensive glass, especially in crunch time, game after game. Especially when we have ignore the offensive glass ourselves. When we ISO Simon, no one crashes, and we lose Simon's athleticism on the glass. When a player gets within 6 feet, their finishing percentage needs to be pretty high. Not so sure Simon elevates his numbers that much. His quickness and length get him there, but his touch not quite enough to ensure the finish.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #314015

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Ray Morgan wrote:

SJU1512 wrote: 4 key differences in this game, probably worth noting because they are unlikely to be isolated to this game under current construct:

1. Wright made in-game adjustments that moved the needle. I doubt he came into yesterday's game pre-determined he was going to zone SJU at the 12 minute mark of the first half. But when SJU made six 3's in the first 7 minutes he did and it was disruptive. Late in the game when Simon got rock Nova defender backed way off him and they denied everyone else - this wore SJU under 10 seconds on the shot clock without getting into offense on 3 different occasions in the last 4 minutes leading to 3 empty possessions.

Outside of a few offensive sets particularly out of timeouts (which is a welcomed addition), I don't think there are many moments "this is an interesting wrinkle from our staff here, let's see how this plays out." I think we have a very defined pre-game strategy which we execute well and are immensely prepared for the opposition. But it seems like the approach is if that's good enough for 40 minutes if it's not, so be it. We don't mix defenses, we don't sub, we don't call timeouts. We just play. I don't like the percentages of that strategy with a 6 man rotation at the Nova level and this year we are capable of winning at the Nova level including on road.

2. There were two of Booth and Paschall. There was only one of Ponds. Figgy took the 5th most shots on the team last night and I don't know how many nights we can have like that. He needs to be more involved. And obviously everyone will have off nights and I think it was little more than that but we will need more from Heron in these types of games.

3. 21-5 bench points. Tough to need to go +17 against opposing starters to get a win. The fact that we went +11 against Nova's starters in their building is frankly an incredible and just another data point on how special our first 5 are, but not sure how much more you can expect that edge to be against good teams.

4. 1 free throw attempt for anyone not named Ponds contrasted against 4-17 from 3 from Clark/Heron/Simon. That's double trouble.


I like your analysis and would add one thing: It's a bad trend to allow opposition to pound offensive glass, especially in crunch time, game after game. Especially when we have ignore the offensive glass ourselves. When we ISO Simon, no one crashes, and we lose Simon's athleticism on the glass. When a player gets within 6 feet, their finishing percentage needs to be pretty high. Not so sure Simon elevates his numbers that much. His quickness and length get him there, but his touch not quite enough to ensure the finish.


Do not over analyze. Certain players had open shots that they did not make, Villanova stepped up the defense in the last 5 minutes and did a very good job of denying the ball to Ponds to take offensive out of rhythm and let other players try and beat us. Good game against evenly matched teams. We could play them 10 times and it would be 5-5.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #314022

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Paultzman wrote:

DoodyNY33 wrote: I hope this isn’t true

@tominsalem All he did was pass the ball.
We need another threat.
At Williams can goto the hole.
Heard tonight he's definitely gone.
That's a shame.

Total nonsense

1) the kid is the most animated on the bench
2) his father says he loves NYC and how he has been embraced by Johnnies fans
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #314027

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SJU1512 wrote: Feel bad for these kids. They've played so hard in all 3 road games, but the rotation just isn't long enough and largely as a result the execution is just so poor in the last 4-8 minutes of games. It's like watching two different teams, one for the first 30-35 minutes and a totally different one for the last 5-10.

Staff is really coming up short in this regard and this aspect is on them. We are giving wins away.


"Giving wins away." On point, if you ask me. We should be 4-0 or no less than 3-1.
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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #314028

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oldschool Redmen wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

NCJohnnie wrote: As Jack W & others have said, loss was tough because of way we lost it (blowing several nice leads). Imho reason we lost is too many second chance points allowed Nova due to offensive rebounds and 2 of our 5 starters having off games (Heron & Clark shot combined 6-20 with only 8 rebounds between them). We rely heavily on our core 5 and, while we can survive an off game from one of them, it's tough to beat good teams like Nova when 2 of the 5 have off games. Ponds & Simon playing too many minutes also appeared to hurt us at the end as they both looked tired.
Coach & players all said right things after game, except that Coach really didn't address why he hardly played bench other than to say something like "in game situations, foul trouble and didn't overthink it". Hopefully we'll get back to more of the nice 8 man rotation going forward.

Good news is we have 5 very winnable games coming up before Duke, 3 at home and on the road games against Butler & Creighton. Feel like we should take 4 of 5 which would put us at 6-3 at halfway point with 5 out of last 9 at home.


If we can do that that then we have an excellent chance to go 13-5 in conference which is where I thought we needed to be all along in order to solidify and NCAA bid. I think we will get there. Would have loved to win this game but it's not a bad loss as long as we win Saturday. I agree with the sentiment that Mully must use his bench more.


Vs DePaul (W)
Vs Creighton (W) 1-3 on the road
@ Butler (W) Not the same good Butler team
Vs. G-Town (W) This is another war

Gotta get these 4.


I told Maher two weeks ago that I think we need to be 6-2 or 7-1 after eight games.

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(POST-GAME) @Villanova, Tues., Jan. 8, 7p, FS-1 / 970 AM 5 months 6 days ago #314036

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The Staff gets appropriate kudos for the Starting 5 they've recruited. But it's also appropriate to criticize in-game rotation management that has our starters gassed late in games, unable to execute the offense and be ineffective on D and turning clear and hard-fought wins into nail-biting finishes.
The Staff recruited its 'bench' as well and should calibrate timely substitutions around game / media timeouts to give our core guys needed rest.
Yeah, our bench is thin, but Trimble, Keita, and Williams should see PT during games.
Otherwise, we might as well replace our bench with orange road cones--they'd be as useful.
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