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Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)
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Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.

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we are sju wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.


If Dixon was in over his head it was because of his lower than expected basketball IQ. Other than lacking a little in coordination and 10 lbs in weight, he was fine physically and was actually our quickest player.

Properly gauging what a player has between the ears and in the form of intangibles is one of those things that you can only do after you coach them or watching them playing with guys you know well. And it's tough after a freshman season because you expect all freshmen to be somewhat unprepared mentally.

You do tend to err on the side of transfer (Harrison to Baylor for example. I think most of the board understood that the loser of Dixon/Trimble was a lock to transfer. It doesn't take a psychic to know that there is a good chance the losers of other positional competitions will leave at the end of the season as well. That is the nature of college basketball in 2019, and I think we are all fine with those types of guys transferring.

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Marillac wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.


If Dixon was in over his head it was because of his lower than expected basketball IQ. Other than lacking a little in coordination and 10 lbs in weight, he was fine physically and was actually our quickest player.

Properly gauging what a player has between the ears and in the form of intangibles is one of those things that you can only do after you coach them or watching them playing with guys you know well. And it's tough after a freshman season because you expect all freshmen to be somewhat unprepared mentally.

You do tend to err on the side of transfer (Harrison to Baylor for example. I think most of the board understood that the loser of Dixon/Trimble was a lock to transfer. It doesn't take a psychic to know that there is a good chance the losers of other positional competitions will leave at the end of the season as well. That is the nature of college basketball in 2019, and I think we are all fine with those types of guys transferring.


Dixon was awful.
Harrison thing was mostly tongue in cheek.Baylor crooked, kind of sort of agreed with some form of Fun's Lavin conspiracy theory in suspending Harrison. Funny Jordan never got suspended while Lavin was coaching for his job.
If I was Harrison I would have transferred. Just like if I were Kyle McAlarney I would have transferred from ND.

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we are sju wrote:

Marillac wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.


If Dixon was in over his head it was because of his lower than expected basketball IQ. Other than lacking a little in coordination and 10 lbs in weight, he was fine physically and was actually our quickest player.

Properly gauging what a player has between the ears and in the form of intangibles is one of those things that you can only do after you coach them or watching them playing with guys you know well. And it's tough after a freshman season because you expect all freshmen to be somewhat unprepared mentally.

You do tend to err on the side of transfer (Harrison to Baylor for example. I think most of the board understood that the loser of Dixon/Trimble was a lock to transfer. It doesn't take a psychic to know that there is a good chance the losers of other positional competitions will leave at the end of the season as well. That is the nature of college basketball in 2019, and I think we are all fine with those types of guys transferring.


Dixon was awful.
Harrison thing was mostly tongue in cheek.Baylor crooked, kind of sort of agreed with some form of Fun's Lavin conspiracy theory in suspending Harrison. Funny Jordan never got suspended while Lavin was coaching for his job.
If I was Harrison I would have transferred. Just like if I were Kyle McAlarney I would have transferred from ND.


I think our fans gave up on Dixon too soon.
I think Dixon gave up on St. John's before staff had given up on him.
Kids jump at the first opportunity. I don't blame them, but rather than stay and fight for playing time by their performance and hard work, they bail out.
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Marillac wrote:

we are sju wrote:

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Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.


If Dixon was in over his head it was because of his lower than expected basketball IQ. Other than lacking a little in coordination and 10 lbs in weight, he was fine physically and was actually our quickest player.

Properly gauging what a player has between the ears and in the form of intangibles is one of those things that you can only do after you coach them or watching them playing with guys you know well. And it's tough after a freshman season because you expect all freshmen to be somewhat unprepared mentally.

You do tend to err on the side of transfer (Harrison to Baylor for example. I think most of the board understood that the loser of Dixon/Trimble was a lock to transfer. It doesn't take a psychic to know that there is a good chance the losers of other positional competitions will leave at the end of the season as well. That is the nature of college basketball in 2019, and I think we are all fine with those types of guys transferring.


Dixon was awful.
Harrison thing was mostly tongue in cheek.Baylor crooked, kind of sort of agreed with some form of Fun's Lavin conspiracy theory in suspending Harrison. Funny Jordan never got suspended while Lavin was coaching for his job.
If I was Harrison I would have transferred. Just like if I were Kyle McAlarney I would have transferred from ND.


I think our fans gave up on Dixon too soon.
I think Dixon gave up on St. John's before staff had given up on him.
Kids jump at the first opportunity. I don't blame them, but rather than stay and fight for playing time by their performance and hard work, they bail out.

Think he would have found his way back in

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Wish Dixon the best. Have to wonder if he was recruited as a safety valve in case Ponds left after his sophomore year which staff clearly knew was a distinct possibility. In any event, GC should be an excellent fit for him.
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I think Dixon resented getting pulled so early in the SH game . True , he struggled on D and was smaller than anyone of us expected but, he was quick and could shoot . You can always accommodate a shooter , even with bad D . As much as his decision was on his PT this year, I think possibly he also looked at next year , with Wright and Mack coming in , plus Williams and thought WTF . So, I am not one who thinks his leaving was a good thing . He had more of a offensive game than Trimble but, don’t take that as a shot at Him . He does other things that Mikey didn’t . Oh well. He’s gone .
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we are sju wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: Obviously, Mustapha wants to jump to the NBA. While current buzz still points that way, not to be mean--so far, i don't think NBA teams have him on their 1st or 2nd round Boards.
So, the question is, would he opt to go pro overseas, or return for his senior year to give it one final regular try to play himself into the NBA's cross hairs?
I don't know the answer, but he 'could' return.


I'm not sure he'd go in a 3 round draft this year at this point. No disrespect intended. For guys like Heron, teams want finished products. He came into the season needing to show that he can create, but he hasn't done that at all. He has become very predictable and those charges are unacceptable for NBA teams. The silly fouls too are a bad look. And his stats aren't great.

He needs another year. I think he could be a late first rounder if he fixes some flaws and shows he can be the man.

The NBA is not kind to players that don't possess freakish physical attributes that try to make the league from avenues other than college.

There is plenty of time to impress though, and he is very fortunate the roles now allow him to hire an agent and go through a very detailed process.


As predictable going towards the basket as WASJU wiggling out of old bad takes ;)


At beginning of season I predicted starting 5.
Also while everyone was saying we were going to go 10 or 11 deep I rightly predicted 8. Didn't foresee going basically 6 as we did last game but who could?
Was the first to mention that Dixon was in over his head and even stated he was probably not going to be here next year.
Also didn't predict that referees would let Seton Hall keep trying until they beat us. But again outside the 1972 US Olympic men's basketball team who could?
So not sure what you are talking about?
I am slightly disappointed by Heron to this point. Even if you throw out the disaster that was last game for him. Still think he will be fine though.


Was just a joke, obviously everyone has their hits and their misses, but you kind of just proved my point. Your predictions: all world, your humor: all american: your knowledge all knowing, your selective memory: Alzheimer. :P
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