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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309467

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Class of 72 wrote: I'm hoping for a 2-2 split but if Keita is a non factor I can see us starting 0-4. Especially after watching Sacred Heart beat us on the boards on both ends of the court. In conference play size will matter and it is wonderful to have a good shooting forward like Clark taking treys but that usually means our guys are already running away from the basket when he shoots. Every Big East team here out will have the 6'8 and 6'10 kids to give us problems. Last night they were Sacred Heart kids. Now they will be nationally ranked Big East kids. Let's see if small ball works in conference. Without defense and rebounding my guess is that it won't be enough.


WTF?

Our center is 6'7-6'8 230 lbs and is one of the best set shooters in the country. The guys we have playing PF an C can all start a break, score 25 points any given night, and hit free throws. He can space the floor better than any big man in the country.

Look at what a typical big man does in a game...usually 50% or so from the line which means 4-6 misses from the stripe, tires and gets beat back a few times in transition, gets beaten on the perimeter a handful of times by guards and wings, clogs the lane, doesn't stretch the D, etc. Let them get 5-6 layups if we can get 8-10 baskets on the other end from the other stuff.


WTF Center that is 6'8 are you referring to because I must have missed that player all season thus far. We don't play a "center" position on this team. Marvin Clark is an outstanding shooting SF. There is no "power" in his game and he is not relentless under the boards. The other players are in the 6'1 to 6'6 range and can all score as you stated. The problem will be when Marvin is off or in foul trouble we are in deep WTF shit. That's why the Keita issue looms over this team and this season just as Marcus LoVett loomed and doomed our season last year.
Bottom line is that one player, especially not your best player, should be such a factor on any team.
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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309468

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A number of pitchers, Bob Gibson being the first and Tom Terrific as well, always said that the most important pitch is strike 1. This season, the most important Big East win, especially staring last year o and 11, is win 1. Let's get it right away and take the monkey off our backs. The team will be loose after that.
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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309469

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Hoping for 4-0. Expecting 1-3 (Georgetown), but would not be surprised 0-4.
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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309470

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Amaseinyourface wrote: 4-0 is not a realistic expectation. That’s 3 road games including at nova and the home game is against the best team in the league who has the biggest physical presence in Theo John. We better come out and beat SH or I think we’ll be lucky to be 1-3.

The positive is one of the tougher 4 game stretches is out of the way, the negative being there aren’t many easy 4 game stretches in the BE. Regardless, I think end of the year we’ll have 11 wins and a more than safe bid.


Georgetown and SH are two of the most winnable road games we play all season.

We have a stretch later in the year: @Creighton, @Duke, @Marquette, Providence, Butler, Villanova, and @ Providence...followed by Seton Hall. That is consecutive!!!!!

If we are a tournament team we will beat SH and Gtown on the road and we will protect our home court against Marquette. They are good but they aren't Gonzaga. They lost by 23 to Indiana and they barely beat a 3-0 UTEP team.

We can't lose at home to Marquette this early. What are the odds we can beat them on the road later in the year?! Pretty close to zero.


Most winnable does not equal games we should win. You of all guys trying to downplay winning on the road right now? Marquette is our worst matchup I’ve already said that, If there’s a team that’s gonna sweep us it’s them.

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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309473

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Don’t predict, but if we play 40 minutes hard and smart, every game is winnable, don’t, and all are loseable. No groundbreaking insight with that statement so I am very anxious to see how we play Saturday. The Hall is tough, they have a great scorer in Powell, and are more proven than we are at this stage by virtue of their schedule. It’s 40 minute time for an experienced team, so my favorite sports cliche, we shall see.
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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309475

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Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote: 4-0 is not a realistic expectation. That’s 3 road games including at nova and the home game is against the best team in the league who has the biggest physical presence in Theo John. We better come out and beat SH or I think we’ll be lucky to be 1-3.

The positive is one of the tougher 4 game stretches is out of the way, the negative being there aren’t many easy 4 game stretches in the BE. Regardless, I think end of the year we’ll have 11 wins and a more than safe bid.


Georgetown and SH are two of the most winnable road games we play all season.

We have a stretch later in the year: @Creighton, @Duke, @Marquette, Providence, Butler, Villanova, and @ Providence...followed by Seton Hall. That is consecutive!!!!!

If we are a tournament team we will beat SH and Gtown on the road and we will protect our home court against Marquette. They are good but they aren't Gonzaga. They lost by 23 to Indiana and they barely beat a 3-0 UTEP team.

We can't lose at home to Marquette this early. What are the odds we can beat them on the road later in the year?! Pretty close to zero.


Most winnable does not equal games we should win. You of all guys trying to downplay winning on the road right now? Marquette is our worst matchup I’ve already said that, If there’s a team that’s gonna sweep us it’s them.


I choose to be overly positive until proven wrong.

Our biggest weakness is effort. 3/4 of the first games will be effort city. Gtown might be a let down there. The boys will compete those first two! And Nova?!

Winning on the road is never easy.

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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309476

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Marillac wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Amaseinyourface wrote: 4-0 is not a realistic expectation. That’s 3 road games including at nova and the home game is against the best team in the league who has the biggest physical presence in Theo John. We better come out and beat SH or I think we’ll be lucky to be 1-3.

The positive is one of the tougher 4 game stretches is out of the way, the negative being there aren’t many easy 4 game stretches in the BE. Regardless, I think end of the year we’ll have 11 wins and a more than safe bid.


Georgetown and SH are two of the most winnable road games we play all season.

We have a stretch later in the year: @Creighton, @Duke, @Marquette, Providence, Butler, Villanova, and @ Providence...followed by Seton Hall. That is consecutive!!!!!

If we are a tournament team we will beat SH and Gtown on the road and we will protect our home court against Marquette. They are good but they aren't Gonzaga. They lost by 23 to Indiana and they barely beat a 3-0 UTEP team.

We can't lose at home to Marquette this early. What are the odds we can beat them on the road later in the year?! Pretty close to zero.


Most winnable does not equal games we should win. You of all guys trying to downplay winning on the road right now? Marquette is our worst matchup I’ve already said that, If there’s a team that’s gonna sweep us it’s them.


I choose to be overly positive until proven wrong.

Our biggest weakness is effort. 3/4 of the first games will be effort city. Gtown might be a let down there. The boys will compete those first two! And Nova?!

Winning on the road is never easy.


I’m as high on this team as anyone. You said the other day 10 wins would be a good job.

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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309484

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Class of 72 wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Class of 72 wrote: I'm hoping for a 2-2 split but if Keita is a non factor I can see us starting 0-4. Especially after watching Sacred Heart beat us on the boards on both ends of the court. In conference play size will matter and it is wonderful to have a good shooting forward like Clark taking treys but that usually means our guys are already running away from the basket when he shoots. Every Big East team here out will have the 6'8 and 6'10 kids to give us problems. Last night they were Sacred Heart kids. Now they will be nationally ranked Big East kids. Let's see if small ball works in conference. Without defense and rebounding my guess is that it won't be enough.


WTF?

Our center is 6'7-6'8 230 lbs and is one of the best set shooters in the country. The guys we have playing PF an C can all start a break, score 25 points any given night, and hit free throws. He can space the floor better than any big man in the country.

Look at what a typical big man does in a game...usually 50% or so from the line which means 4-6 misses from the stripe, tires and gets beat back a few times in transition, gets beaten on the perimeter a handful of times by guards and wings, clogs the lane, doesn't stretch the D, etc. Let them get 5-6 layups if we can get 8-10 baskets on the other end from the other stuff.


WTF Center that is 6'8 are you referring to because I must have missed that player all season thus far. We don't play a "center" position on this team. Marvin Clark is an outstanding shooting SF. There is no "power" in his game and he is not relentless under the boards. The other players are in the 6'1 to 6'6 range and can all score as you stated. The problem will be when Marvin is off or in foul trouble we are in deep WTF shit. That's why the Keita issue looms over this team and this season just as Marcus LoVett loomed and doomed our season last year.
Bottom line is that one player, especially not your best player, should be such a factor on any team.


Marvin Clark is as much of a SF as you.
Maybe you missed the Final Four when he was a freshman and played a ton of minutes for Izzo at center? He played 18 minutes in an OT Elite Eight win against Louisville -- nearly all at center. He played 10 minutes against Duke in the Final Four. All told, he played 59 minutes at the four and five in five NCAA tournament games for a Final Four team. He also had 68 minutes in six Big Ten conference tournament games at the four and five.That many not be good enough for 72, but it's good enough for me.

Kevin Pittsnoogle was a 6'10 250 center that hit over 40% on 8-9 threes a game, but nobody every called him a SF. For some reason Clark gets that label here. Puzzling.

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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309485

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4-0. Until they show me that they can lose a game, we have new sets that people haven't seen yet that will knock the balls outta your pants.
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Realistic Expectation for First Four Games 4 weeks 2 days ago #309486

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Marillac wrote:

Class of 72 wrote:

Marillac wrote:

Class of 72 wrote: I'm hoping for a 2-2 split but if Keita is a non factor I can see us starting 0-4. Especially after watching Sacred Heart beat us on the boards on both ends of the court. In conference play size will matter and it is wonderful to have a good shooting forward like Clark taking treys but that usually means our guys are already running away from the basket when he shoots. Every Big East team here out will have the 6'8 and 6'10 kids to give us problems. Last night they were Sacred Heart kids. Now they will be nationally ranked Big East kids. Let's see if small ball works in conference. Without defense and rebounding my guess is that it won't be enough.


WTF?

Our center is 6'7-6'8 230 lbs and is one of the best set shooters in the country. The guys we have playing PF an C can all start a break, score 25 points any given night, and hit free throws. He can space the floor better than any big man in the country.

Look at what a typical big man does in a game...usually 50% or so from the line which means 4-6 misses from the stripe, tires and gets beat back a few times in transition, gets beaten on the perimeter a handful of times by guards and wings, clogs the lane, doesn't stretch the D, etc. Let them get 5-6 layups if we can get 8-10 baskets on the other end from the other stuff.


WTF Center that is 6'8 are you referring to because I must have missed that player all season thus far. We don't play a "center" position on this team. Marvin Clark is an outstanding shooting SF. There is no "power" in his game and he is not relentless under the boards. The other players are in the 6'1 to 6'6 range and can all score as you stated. The problem will be when Marvin is off or in foul trouble we are in deep WTF shit. That's why the Keita issue looms over this team and this season just as Marcus LoVett loomed and doomed our season last year.
Bottom line is that one player, especially not your best player, should be such a factor on any team.


Marvin Clark is as much of a SF as you.
Maybe you missed the Final Four when he was a freshman and played a ton of minutes for Izzo at center? He played 18 minutes in an OT Elite Eight win against Louisville -- nearly all at center. He played 10 minutes against Duke in the Final Four. All told, he played 59 minutes at the four and five in five NCAA tournament games for a Final Four team. He also had 68 minutes in six Big Ten conference tournament games at the four and five.That many not be good enough for 72, but it's good enough for me.

Kevin Pittsnoogle was a 6'10 250 center that hit over 40% on 8-9 threes a game, but nobody every called him a SF. For some reason Clark gets that label here. Puzzling.


Why bother? You know it's the same regurgitated stuff, even though we're 12-0. There are those on this board that point out our "weaknesses ", but for some reason don't understand that our team is set up to be a mismatch nightmare on offense.
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