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2019 Transfers 11 months 4 weeks ago #358576

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This one is an odd one and one to keep an eye on. Declared immediately eligible leaving PSU for Iowa State. Nothing about family or anything mentioned in corresponding article. Just that PSU supported the move.



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Moose wrote: This one is an odd one and one to keep an eye on. Declared immediately eligible leaving PSU for Iowa State. Nothing about family or anything mentioned in corresponding article. Just that PSU supported the move.



www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/c...gibility/1968186001/


Situation involved him an members of the Penn St coaching staff.

Inappropriate contact by staff members on him and other players is what I heard.

Interesting that Penn St supported the waiver.

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Moose wrote: This one is an odd one and one to keep an eye on. Declared immediately eligible leaving PSU for Iowa State. Nothing about family or anything mentioned in corresponding article. Just that PSU supported the move.



www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/c...gibility/1968186001/


Situation involved him an members of the Penn St coaching staff.

Inappropriate contact by staff members on him and other players is what I heard.

Interesting that Penn St supported the waiver.


Could that be a similar angle that Steere takes? With their staff having the hammer dropped on them at NC State?

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fordham96 wrote:

Moose wrote: This one is an odd one and one to keep an eye on. Declared immediately eligible leaving PSU for Iowa State. Nothing about family or anything mentioned in corresponding article. Just that PSU supported the move.



www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/c...gibility/1968186001/


Situation involved him an members of the Penn St coaching staff.

Inappropriate contact by staff members on him and other players is what I heard.

Interesting that Penn St supported the waiver.


Could that be a similar angle that Steere takes? With their staff having the hammer dropped on them at NC State?


Could be but that goes to my larger point about Steere. People think that because he played five minutes before deciding to transfer is what is preventing him from being eligible immediately and thus the basis for the waiver to play immediately. No. I think he has probably a two prong waiver going on.

One is to get the year back regardless of whether he plays in November or December. That is based on only playing 5 minutes.

The other could be based on something that none of use have any idea went on at NC St. Perhaps there was a personal conflict with the staff or something else that led him to abruptly decide to transfer. And it is those grounds with which he thinks he deserves a chance to play in November. Again just speculating. Or NC St is under investigation for the Dennis Smith Jr recruitment could he argue he did not want to risk staying at NC St and not being eligible for post season play. My larger point is the 5 minutes in a game is about getting the full year of eligibility back not about only having to sit ½ a year. Because whether he played or not has no bearing on having to sit a year after transferring. You have to do it either way.
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Does anyone know if Raheem Dunn is seeking a waiver to be immediately eligible. And if so what the basis would be.

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And Til wrote: Does anyone know if Raheem Dunn is seeking a waiver to be immediately eligible. And if so what the basis would be.


"Dunn has two years of eligibility remaining, and a unique situation. Dunn transferred from St. Francis Brooklyn to Cleveland State before last season, sitting out; Cleveland State fired their head coach, Dennis Felton, late this summer (July).

This spring, the NCAA explicitly stated that players whose coaches leave before fall classes start, but after enrolling in summer session can play immediately without a waiver."

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And Til wrote: Does anyone know if Raheem Dunn is seeking a waiver to be immediately eligible. And if so what the basis would be.


Yes, he is seeking one. Presumably the basis would be that he already sat our last year and then his coach was fired, though I can't comment on how viable that is.

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Probably need him more now then in 2020 when reinforcements arrive

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JohnnyFan wrote:

And Til wrote: Does anyone know if Raheem Dunn is seeking a waiver to be immediately eligible. And if so what the basis would be.


"Dunn has two years of eligibility remaining, and a unique situation. Dunn transferred from St. Francis Brooklyn to Cleveland State before last season, sitting out; Cleveland State fired their head coach, Dennis Felton, late this summer (July).

This spring, the NCAA explicitly stated that players whose coaches leave before fall classes start, but after enrolling in summer session can play immediately without a waiver."


That would be interesting but I don't think the rule change was meant for this situation. It was meant to address something that happened at Ohio St/NC St in 2017 involving Thad Matta and Braxton Beverly. Bevery signed and enrolled at Ohio St in May of 2017. Matta was not let go until June. That is unusual. So Beverly decided to transfer to NC St. Since he already enrolled at OSU rule says he has to sit a year. He filed a waiver and was denied twice before a public outcry ultimately got him his waiver. Remember most incoming freshmen would find out BEFORE they ever enroll if the coach is fired. Because most coaching changes are in March and April before summer enrollment. Thus kids can decide then to get out of their NLI. So there is no risk to enrolling and having to formerly transfer.

With Dunn he transferred over a year ago and sat a year at Cleveland St. But yes he can make the argument that because of a coaching change BEFORE he ever got to play that he should be allowed to transfer and play immediately. So he could stretch that rule but this would probably be more commonplace than Beverly since kids transfer all the time sitting out a year and you can see coaching changes happening after that happens. Eli Wright could argue the same thing. Transferred to SJU, sat a year, coach is gone, transfers again before playing etc.

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