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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306735

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You don't see people wanting Mullin gone????
Start a poll on that one.
It is weird because he is Chris Mullin and Norm was well.....Norm
I get he played here before some were fans but I doubt if Babe Ruth was resurrected to manage the Yankees their fans we start bitching during year 2 of rebuild.
Not saying lifetime but deserved more than you gave Norm out of pure loyalty.


No I didn't see a sizeable number of posters wanting Mullin gone. Granted I don't read the site as much as I used to. I did say MANY asking for staff changes but not firing of Mullin.

I wouldn't say many fans are post Mullin playing days either. I am yes. Mullin is nothing but a name in a record book but still the vast majority of this site are from those days when he played.

He doesn't deserve more than Norm no matter how many points he scored. I can speak to me only and I think I'm pretty damn rational 4 years is more than fair amount in the college game.


Another made up assertion that "so many people are calling for his head." I would beg people to go look at that cesspool Big East Boards and remember after a loss at home to Duke in year 3 where they were down like 15 points in the first few minutes. There were plenty of people calling for Norm Roberts head after that loss and that season, year 3 and he took over an absolutely barren program with NCAA sanctions overhanging them.

I don't understand why Coach Mullin deserves so much more slack relative to previous coaches. Based on what? And btw if Norm or Lavin had been as flat out LAZY in recruiting as much as this current staff the outrage would have been deafening and that is BEFORE you get the abysmal record. BTW Norm was 16-15/7-9 in year 3.

Georgetown fired a pretty successful coach whose father is a LEGEND at Georgetown and still has an administrative position at Georgetown. And I can assure you if they can do that they won't hesitate cutting Patrick Ewing loose if he falters. Obviously Patrick will be given some slack as well but do you really think Georgetown fans won't turn on him if he struggles.


Yes I believe Mullin based on being the Goat for the program deserves a little more time than someone that is not Chris Mullin.
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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306736

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Mullin has repeatedly said that Shot blocking is a over rated Stat. It gets ooh’s and ahs but, Owens was only blocking 2-3 per game and was a non factor against BE muscle inside the paint .,Him leaving for TT was his decision . I agree , the trade off of not getting him more 3 point shots vs having Figgy and Heron and Dixon involved in the offense , clearly favors the latter and not the former . I hope Owens enjoys TT but, felt he was a bit disloyal . He got great opportunity here under Mullin and to say goodbye was , well, not nice . And , in retrospect , with Keita injured , he would have gotten lots of PT here this season . But, he caught the Lovett fever and left . Adios !
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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306738

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Blocks is an overrated stat. We were ranked 6th in blocks per game last year and 4th the year before that, but we were not a good team either year.


I'd like to see some advanced metrics on blocks. Maybe they exist and I just haven't bothered to look. They are virtually useless if you block the ball out of bounds or right back to the team that you just blocked. But how often are blocks directed toward a teammate or save a game in the last possession of a tie or one-point lead?

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I can tell you this. Nostalgia wears off really quickly.

That only gets you so far before results start to matter.

Fred Hoiberg was successful at Iowa St not because he was a grad but because he won. And he turned that thing around quickly. I mean Doug McDermott is a terrific well regarded coach and in 4 years at Iowa St he compiled the below record of NO WINNING SEASONS. By year 2 Hoiberg had Iowa St a non-traditional power in the NCAA's and that led to 4 consecutive seasons in the NCAA's before leaving for the Bulls.

2006–07 Iowa State 15–16 6–10 T–7th
2007–08 Iowa State 14–18 4–12 11th
2008–09 Iowa State 15–17 4–12 10th
2009–10 Iowa State 15–17 4–12

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If we don't make tourney this year experiment was failure and should end.
I will say this. No matter what happens I thought the last 2 years though frustrating at times, the teams were enjoyable to watch. Sorry to keep bringing it back to Norm but he was really the only coach here who I absolutely wanted to be fired. His teams were bad and terrible to watch. Don't find that with Mullin even if the results have not been great.
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I think the defensive effort has been falling short this year but will give the team the benefit of the doubt until SK returns. Right now they are doubling down on the big man every time and having to rotate quickly. This results in open shots frequently. What does our D look like without having to double the post every time? If we still look bad once SK returns than the D needs to really step up in conference play. You need to sit down all of the players and let them know that if you don't play D than you sit. Yank them quickly and put them back in quickly until it is improves. Run their asses off in practice until the D improves. D is all effort and coach should not be satisfied without 100% effort.

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we are sju wrote: If we don't make tourney this year experiment was failure and should end.
I will say this. No matter what happens I thought the last 2 years though frustrating at times, the teams were enjoyable to watch. Sorry to keep bringing it back to Norm but he was really the only coach here who I absolutely wanted to be fired. His teams were bad and terrible to watch. Don't find that with Mullin even if the results have not been great.


Were you a fan of SJU when Mullin played?

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we are sju wrote: If we don't make tourney this year experiment was failure and should end.
I will say this. No matter what happens I thought the last 2 years though frustrating at times, the teams were enjoyable to watch. Sorry to keep bringing it back to Norm but he was really the only coach here who I absolutely wanted to be fired. His teams were bad and terrible to watch. Don't find that with Mullin even if the results have not been great.


Were you a fan of SJU when Mullin played?


Friend of my Father's sat the bench for Louie in the 70's.
Got us tickets to see this awesome Freshman play when I was like 9 or 10.
Left Alumni Hall as the biggest David Russell fan. The freshman guy bored 9 or 10 year old WASJU.
As I got older and understood basketball a little bit more I soon realized how great Chris Mullin was. Was really cool seeing:
1. ST John's at top of polls.
True disclosure liked Walter Berry more. But even back then I understood this program would never see a player like Mullin ever again. Though I think I can say that about Berry too.

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we are sju wrote: If we don't make tourney this year experiment was failure and should end.
I will say this. No matter what happens I thought the last 2 years though frustrating at times, the teams were enjoyable to watch. Sorry to keep bringing it back to Norm but he was really the only coach here who I absolutely wanted to be fired. His teams were bad and terrible to watch. Don't find that with Mullin even if the results have not been great.


Norm was a disaster. He couldn't coach and he couldn't get great players like every coach before and after him.

Lavin couldn't coach and had a terrible philosophy but he could get some great players. His flaw was not being able to fill out his roster through the transfer game.

Mullin isn't a great coach (not ready to label him a poor coach yet), but he and his staff can get some great players. He and his guys also fill out the roster well via the transfer, so that makes him more likely to be successful than Lavin IMO. It's also reasonable to expect him and his staff to learn and get better with experience.

Mullin employs a system that should be attractive to guys who want to play in the NBA. It's the basketball equivalent of a pro-style scheme. We switch everything on defense to allow guys to highlight (or expose) their defensive versatility instead of using gimmicky defenses like Auburn or Syracuse. On offense bigs are afforded freedom to shoot and drive (more than I'd like).

I think we would have been on the bubble last year if Lovett didn't screw us over. I also think the staff learned a lesson there. Next year the team will be a tournament team IMO and the finally balanced roster should be able to keep the inertia going in a positive direction. It's a lot easier to stay good than become good.
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we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: If we don't make tourney this year experiment was failure and should end.
I will say this. No matter what happens I thought the last 2 years though frustrating at times, the teams were enjoyable to watch. Sorry to keep bringing it back to Norm but he was really the only coach here who I absolutely wanted to be fired. His teams were bad and terrible to watch. Don't find that with Mullin even if the results have not been great.


Were you a fan of SJU when Mullin played?


Friend of my Father's sat the bench for Louie in the 70's.
Got us tickets to see this awesome Freshman play when I was like 9 or 10.
Left Alumni Hall as the biggest David Russell fan. The freshman guy bored 9 or 10 year old WASJU.
As I got older and understood basketball a little bit more I soon realized how great Chris Mullin was. Was really cool seeing:
1. ST John's at top of polls.
True disclosure liked Walter Berry more. But even back then I understood this program would never see a player like Mullin ever again. Though I think I can say that about Berry too.


I get it. He was part of those teams that were special to you. And an integral part. I don't fault anyone for feeling how they do about Mullin. Just wish more of those fans didn't fault others who have no affinity to Chris Mullin at all. We don't pick the year we're born
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