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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306717

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we are sju wrote:

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we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.


By year 3 it was pretty hard to defend Norm. No only did we suck but we would lose by a ridiculous margin and were just terrible to watch. The only defense was Norm was a good guy which is pretty comical.
And I totally disagree that everyone on here wants us to win.


Norm went from 9 to 12 to 16 wins. Then Year 4 regressed to 11.
I think it's pretty safe to say anyone who gave him 4 years was perfectly well within normal rights there.


But Chris Mullin gets 2 year honeymoon? That is just weird man.


Why is that weird? Neither situation is the same or even close. I don't see people wanting Mullin gone yet. Now this is year 4. Same as Norm. If this most talented team in years can't dance and he can't mitigate the inevitable departures to ensure next year isn't back to square 1 then its again well thought out and accepted alternative.

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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306719

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Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.


By year 3 it was pretty hard to defend Norm. No only did we suck but we would lose by a ridiculous margin and were just terrible to watch. The only defense was Norm was a good guy which is pretty comical.
And I totally disagree that everyone on here wants us to win.


Norm went from 9 to 12 to 16 wins. Then Year 4 regressed to 11.
I think it's pretty safe to say anyone who gave him 4 years was perfectly well within normal rights there.


But Chris Mullin gets 2 year honeymoon? That is just weird man.


Why is that weird? Neither situation is the same or even close. I don't see people wanting Mullin gone yet. Now this is year 4. Same as Norm. If this most talented team in years can't dance and he can't mitigate the inevitable departures to ensure next year isn't back to square 1 then its again well thought out and accepted alternative.


You don't see people wanting Mullin gone????
Start a poll on that one.
It is weird because he is Chris Mullin and Norm was well.....Norm
I get he played here before some were fans but I doubt if Babe Ruth was resurrected to manage the Yankees their fans we start bitching during year 2 of rebuild.
Not saying lifetime but deserved more than you gave Norm out of pure loyalty.

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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306720

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There has been a noticeable lack of posting of late from the Group of fans that in general are: 1 Happy we are 8-0. 2. Don’t criticize Mullin for everything including untied shoe laces 3. Recognize the OOC schedule is meant to prepare for the BE season 4. Don’t go beserk because we haven’t won every game by 25 points or more . For example, we won the Mount game by 15 points yet, many bemoan not winning by 50 ! 5. To anyone paying close attention this last game was orchestrated to give Clark, Figueroa and Heron the oppprtunity to score in double figures , something that hasn’t happened much in prior games . 6. Ponds purposefully altered his game to create for these other 3 and they all became more a part of the offense 7. If Ponds or Mullin choose to, he could have gone for 30 or 40 against the Mount but, didn’t need too , which resulted in our winning by only 15 instead of the 50 the discontents wanted . We and the World know Ponds can take over a game when necessary . It wasn’t necessary . 8. Team Chemistry is important to our group this year , Heron and Figgy and Keita are newcomers this year and the first 2 are predominantly natural Scorers who have likely been the first option on prior teams they played for . Here at St John’s , Ponds is our number 1 player and that isn’t changing . So , getting them some important Scoring numbers in a game easily won was a good strategy . Clark also has been in the doldrums and this game gave him a opportunity to get back to his strengths . Simon , is pretty consistent game to game and the check boxes in the stats are always checked . We all wish he wouldn’t miss those all too frequent bunnies at the Rim but, we can live with that as he does so much else . As for defense , here’s my theory , our Starters , all of them are going to play between 30-35 minutes a game this year . We can’t expect them to press on every possession the 40 minutes . And , in Mullin’s strategy , he seems to dare opponents to beat us from 3 , rather than in the paint . It can work against teams that don’t have the 3 working that particular night . Sometimes it will backfire . But, our opponents are going to have to play defense against us , every play and can they ? We will see . Our team has 5 guys who can all average in double figures , what other BE team can say that with credibility ? We will see.
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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306723

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It drives me crazy that as a defensive unit we still give up that many easy open looks from the perimeter, but what I try not to do is project that effort last night as a preview of what's in store for the Big East. Not saying that scholarship athletes, a couple with professional aspirations, are automatically forgiven for playing down to an opponent or taking it easy, but I'm conscience of the time of year it is and the record of the opponent, and can understand 20 year old players acting like its a glorified scrimmage until late in the second half. It would be nice to see Coach getting a little after them on defense, but neither he or Richmond would've ever been confused with Gary Payton either.

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Defensive effort 1 week 1 day ago #306725

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Moose wrote:

Marillac wrote: We aren't a very good team yet. I don't know why people struggle with that concept so much. We return just FOUR guys who played last year. Three of those only played one season here, and two of them are playing different roles.

I think this team can be the best team since 1998-99, but it will take some hard work, learning a ton of lessons--many through defeat--and Simon fully transitioning to the interior presence he is meant to be in college.


Hey bud its been awhile.

Is it fair to ask why we returned just 4 guys who played?
And lets please not ignore the fact that Simon and Clark were part of the team for 2 years. Spending every single day with the teams practicing.

This team can be good like that team. That team also struggled with depth. But that team had a much better coaching staff that I would have more faith in juggling the cards they have.


I definitely think you have to account for the value a redshirt year provides, but it's quite a bit less than a season of 33+ games and tape to learn from.

It's definitely fair to ask why we only had four returning players. I think several lessons were learned by a brand new staff such as the risks of international players turning pro early, the risks associated with depending on kids with questionable character or pasts, and not accounting enough for turnover.

Every time we fire a coach we go through the same cycle: mass exodus, then scramble to fill the roster with less talented players/risky players/guys who only care about minutes, then lose many of those guys when better talent comes aboard.

So realizing we have four players, we should be more patient with our expectations. If we get past Princeton--who represents a stylistic nightmare and a threat even in a down year--I expect us to go to 14-0 if Keita is ready to play 10-15 minutes by conference play.

And lastly, although this is not directed at you, I have no doubt this team could have beaten MSM by 30+ last night if the season depended on that type of margin of victory. Ponds beat that kid badly at will last night, but he knows we won't become a better team if he drops 50and carries us. He should receive props for his play instead of negativity.
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we are sju wrote:
You don't see people wanting Mullin gone????
Start a poll on that one.
It is weird because he is Chris Mullin and Norm was well.....Norm
I get he played here before some were fans but I doubt if Babe Ruth was resurrected to manage the Yankees their fans we start bitching during year 2 of rebuild.
Not saying lifetime but deserved more than you gave Norm out of pure loyalty.


No I didn't see a sizeable number of posters wanting Mullin gone. Granted I don't read the site as much as I used to. I did say MANY asking for staff changes but not firing of Mullin.

I wouldn't say many fans are post Mullin playing days either. I am yes. Mullin is nothing but a name in a record book but still the vast majority of this site are from those days when he played.

He doesn't deserve more than Norm no matter how many points he scored. I can speak to me only and I think I'm pretty damn rational 4 years is more than fair amount in the college game.
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How many blocks do we have this season? Agree or disagree but Owens protected the rim. He was a big loss on the defensive end. I would have made Clark the 6th man to accommodate him. Unfortunately, Clark left Michigan State because he was not content being the 6th man. Our program has been at the mercy of transfer players demanding the role they were promised while negotiating with Matt.
The issue of defense is moot. No one on thus staff coaches college defense. They coach pro offense. That will not change.
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Class of 72 wrote: How many blocks do we have this season? Agree or disagree but Owens protected the rim. He was a big loss on the defensive end. I would have made Clark the 6th man to accommodate him. Unfortunately, Clark left Michigan State because he was not content being the 6th man. Our program has been at the mercy of transfer players demanding the role they were promised while negotiating with Matt.
The issue of defense is moot. No one on thus staff coaches college defense. They coach pro offense. That will not change.


Blocks is an overrated stat. We were ranked 6th in blocks per game last year and 4th the year before that, but we were not a good team either year.

I'd rather have a team that plays better position defense, fills lanes against drives, and boxes out.
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Class of 72 wrote: How many blocks do we have this season? Agree or disagree but Owens protected the rim. He was a big loss on the defensive end. I would have made Clark the 6th man to accommodate him. Unfortunately, Clark left Michigan State because he was not content being the 6th man. Our program has been at the mercy of transfer players demanding the role they were promised while negotiating with Matt.
The issue of defense is moot. No one on thus staff coaches college defense. They coach pro offense. That will not change.


Supposedly wanted to be more involved in the offense and shoot threes. No idea if that is true or not but judging by his Pops tweets or whatever it was at least partially true. I didn't want Owens being more involved in offense if that was price to convince him to stay. Clark annoys me shooting so many threes. And he can shoot. Owens firing away would give me an aneurysm.
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we are sju wrote:
You don't see people wanting Mullin gone????
Start a poll on that one.
It is weird because he is Chris Mullin and Norm was well.....Norm
I get he played here before some were fans but I doubt if Babe Ruth was resurrected to manage the Yankees their fans we start bitching during year 2 of rebuild.
Not saying lifetime but deserved more than you gave Norm out of pure loyalty.


No I didn't see a sizeable number of posters wanting Mullin gone. Granted I don't read the site as much as I used to. I did say MANY asking for staff changes but not firing of Mullin.

I wouldn't say many fans are post Mullin playing days either. I am yes. Mullin is nothing but a name in a record book but still the vast majority of this site are from those days when he played.

He doesn't deserve more than Norm no matter how many points he scored. I can speak to me only and I think I'm pretty damn rational 4 years is more than fair amount in the college game.


Another made up assertion that "so many people are calling for his head." I would beg people to go look at that cesspool Big East Boards and remember after a loss at home to Duke in year 3 where they were down like 15 points in the first few minutes. There were plenty of people calling for Norm Roberts head after that loss and that season, year 3 and he took over an absolutely barren program with NCAA sanctions overhanging them.

I don't understand why Coach Mullin deserves so much more slack relative to previous coaches. Based on what? And btw if Norm or Lavin had been as flat out LAZY in recruiting as much as this current staff the outrage would have been deafening and that is BEFORE you get the abysmal record. BTW Norm was 16-15/7-9 in year 3.

Georgetown fired a pretty successful coach whose father is a LEGEND at Georgetown and still has an administrative position at Georgetown. And I can assure you if they can do that they won't hesitate cutting Patrick Ewing loose if he falters. Obviously Patrick will be given some slack as well but do you really think Georgetown fans won't turn on him if he struggles.

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