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we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.
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stjohnnie75 wrote:

Moose wrote: Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


It is the most talented team we’ve had in years and is the only reason they are 8-0.


Then I guess we should be celebrating our easy schedule! Because imagine it wasn't.

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we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


Exactly. Didn't you know if SJU pressed the whole game they would have won by 50 and no one would have cared about all the 3 pointers they gave up anyway.


You're such a sniveling little dweeb. You've never played or coached an organized sport in your life, so I don't expect you to understand the purpose of a game like this.

Do you want to add stupid to your first ballot Horrible Poster Hall of Fame resume? You're already the most annoying and unlikable person ever to grace a St. John's forum. Adding stupidity would make you a prolific triple threat.
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Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.


By year 3 it was pretty hard to defend Norm. No only did we suck but we would lose by a ridiculous margin and were just terrible to watch. The only defense was Norm was a good guy which is pretty comical.
And I totally disagree that everyone on here wants us to win.

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we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.


By year 3 it was pretty hard to defend Norm. No only did we suck but we would lose by a ridiculous margin and were just terrible to watch. The only defense was Norm was a good guy which is pretty comical.
And I totally disagree that everyone on here wants us to win.


Norm went from 9 to 12 to 16 wins. Then Year 4 regressed to 11.
I think it's pretty safe to say anyone who gave him 4 years was perfectly well within normal rights there.

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Marillac wrote:

fordham96 wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


Exactly. Didn't you know if SJU pressed the whole game they would have won by 50 and no one would have cared about all the 3 pointers they gave up anyway.


You're such a sniveling little dweeb. You've never played or coached an organized sport in your life, so I don't expect you to understand the purpose of a game like this.

Do you want to add stupid to your first ballot Horrible Poster Hall of Fame resume? You're already the most annoying and unlikable person ever to grace a St. John's forum. Adding stupidity would make you a prolific triple threat.


Name calling is ridiculously childish and ruins boards.
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We aren't a very good team yet. I don't know why people struggle with that concept so much. We return just FOUR guys who played last year. Three of those only played one season here, and two of them are playing different roles.

I think this team can be the best team since 1998-99, but it will take some hard work, learning a ton of lessons--many through defeat--and Simon fully transitioning to the interior presence he is meant to be in college.

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Marillac wrote: We aren't a very good team yet. I don't know why people struggle with that concept so much. We return just FOUR guys who played last year. Three of those only played one season here, and two of them are playing different roles.

I think this team can be the best team since 1998-99, but it will take some hard work, learning a ton of lessons--many through defeat--and Simon fully transitioning to the interior presence he is meant to be in college.


Hey bud its been awhile.

Is it fair to ask why we returned just 4 guys who played?
And lets please not ignore the fact that Simon and Clark were part of the team for 2 years. Spending every single day with the teams practicing.

This team can be good like that team. That team also struggled with depth. But that team had a much better coaching staff that I would have more faith in juggling the cards they have.
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Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote:

Moose wrote:

we are sju wrote: In reading the paper and listening to Mullin's post game interview, I am not sure the correct message is being relayed properly. Now ultimately closing out on shooters is just effort and it is on the players. I am positive that the message of closing out with more effort is being told to the players. However the fact that his has been a theme for two years now and is the primary reason we have not played well to date, it should be the primary theme for the team. It should be the team's manta at this point. In all the interviews I have read and the Mullin interview the fact that we simply do not guard on the perimeter was not even mentioned. How is that possible. And that message should start at the top so yes I blame Mullin and staff for this message not being properly sent and or received.


We're 8-0
Stop complaining.


See you are smarter than that my man.
I am not a "Normie" or a "Mullie" as the case would now be. A reference you should be very familiar with as I believe you qualified as a Normie if memory serves.
Mullin's recruiting has been terrible as far as roster balance and position balance. The record the last 3 years has been terrible. Currently our defense is pathetic. I am not crazy.
My ONLY issue is with the people who just keep posting over and over the same drivel about Mullin not being a good coach. We have sucked for the better part 26 years since Louie left. We are 8-0 even if a soft 8-0. I bet we make the tourney this year. For us that is a big accomplishment. It is OK to complain about things but way too much for a team that is 8-0. There has been plenty to complain about since Louie left. I just want to try and enjoy the fact that we are winning games. With same schedule the last 3 years we are what 4-4 at this point?


What is the definition of these Normie's or Mullie's as you term them exactly? I'd really love to know.

For your records if you choose to ensure their accuracy I was fully behind Norm for 4 seasons. After 4 I wanted a change. But that was a very long time ago and with old age I can't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago let alone what you exactly are.

All I do know (and not completely directed at you here) is that if some other posters started a thread like you did here they would get ridiculed with responses like we're 8-0 stop complaining. Anyone who sees just 8-0 without some very big viable warts in living in a Fantasy World and the constant posts ripping those who call out those warts is beyond annoying.

Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


See that is the thing. I don't come on here like Zaun when a team takes a 8-5 lead on us and start the whole "we need a new coach, Mullin can't coach, the sky is falling, where is my medium t shirt" nonsense. Sorry easy to pick on Zaun be he is not the only one by a long shot.
There are things that need to be addressed. There are things that are too late to be addressed. We are 8-0 though. What would this place be like if when we lose?
The Defense sucks. Needs to be fixed. The roster and the guys not on the roster, not a lot we can do about now.


Yeah but not a lot we can do now isn't a reason for some on here to think we should all hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya.

I know some might struggle with the concept but WE ALL want SJU to win. Some might come here and criticize Mullin or Matt or Mitch or Mikey (sorry was running on M's there) but at the end of the day we all want to win and will root for SJU. It's not like if they lose they will get a higher pick.

I cringe when I see someone snipe back with a we're undefeated response when someone makes a valid point.

*Still waiting on your Normie and Mullie definitions.


By year 3 it was pretty hard to defend Norm. No only did we suck but we would lose by a ridiculous margin and were just terrible to watch. The only defense was Norm was a good guy which is pretty comical.
And I totally disagree that everyone on here wants us to win.


Norm went from 9 to 12 to 16 wins. Then Year 4 regressed to 11.
I think it's pretty safe to say anyone who gave him 4 years was perfectly well within normal rights there.


But Chris Mullin gets 2 year honeymoon? That is just weird man.

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Moose wrote:

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Moose wrote: Lastly yes the schedule is weak. But I don't consider wins against Cal, VCU and GaTech that bad. They are power conference teams and power conference teams have higher ranked and higher potential players. My issue is the cupcakes of the world or Baltimore we struggle to beat and can't step on their throats. I thought this was the most talented team we've had in years all the Mullie's are telling me?


It is the most talented team we’ve had in years and is the only reason they are 8-0.


Then I guess we should be celebrating our easy schedule! Because imagine it wasn't.


No one here knows what goes on at practice or film sessions. Hopefully they are able to take away a few things to work on and don’t suffer any further injuries.

This season will all come down to how they do in BE play. If they don’t do well in conference play they won’t make the tournament no matter who they would/could/should have played OOC.

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