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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306314

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There has been a ton of bitching and moaning on this site about recruiting in the last 4.5 years , but let’s step back and look at the facts. The facts are that since April 1, 2015 Chris and Matt have brought in 29 players to SJU.
What is indesputable is that Matt , and i emphasize Matt, is our only recruiter.
He has brought in 15 transfers, which is absolutely fantastic. In that group of 15 there were 3 jucos. Bringing in high level jucos like Bashir, LJ and Mack is again superb as they are immediately ready to play and do contribute in a major way from day 1.
He has brought in 14 high school players the majority of which were ranked 4 stars.
It seems to me that Matt can recruit all around at the highest level. Let’s have a winning season this year and hopefully dance and I firmly believe that Matt will be able to take high school recruiting to an even greater level.
Let us never forget that 2 weeks ago his wife gave birth to their first child and a few days later he got a commitment from a juco aa which was immediately followed up by a high level transfer in Steere.
Lucky we are to have Matt.
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306320

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Thanks North. But why let the facts get in the way of bitching and complaining?
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306322

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I am extremely happy with the recruiting. Our recruiting has gotten better each season...so much so that earlier recruits have left to find more playing time.

I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.

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redmannorth wrote: There has been a ton of bitching and moaning on this site about recruiting in the last 4.5 years , but let’s step back and look at the facts. The facts are that since April 1, 2015 Chris and Matt have brought in 29 players to SJU.
What is indesputable is that Matt , and i emphasize Matt, is our only recruiter.
He has brought in 15 transfers, which is absolutely fantastic. In that group of 15 there were 3 jucos. Bringing in high level jucos like Bashir, LJ and Mack is again superb as they are immediately ready to play and do contribute in a major way from day 1.
He has brought in 14 high school players the majority of which were ranked 4 stars.
It seems to me that Matt can recruit all around at the highest level. Let’s have a winning season this year and hopefully dance and I firmly believe that Matt will be able to take high school recruiting to an even greater level.
Let us never forget that 2 weeks ago his wife gave birth to their first child and a few days later he got a commitment from a juco aa which was immediately followed up by a high level transfer in Steere.
Lucky we are to have Matt.


Totally agree. The cupboard was bare from a talent perspective/character perspective. I completely discount year 1. The strides the program has made have been very solid. Lets continue the up swing, continue the positive momentum and we can get to the point of being consistently very good. It all starts with recruiting!!!!

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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306334

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Marillac wrote: I am extremely happy with the recruiting. Our recruiting has gotten better each season...so much so that earlier recruits have left to find more playing time.

I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.


Like I said before, Huggins won a lot of games with JC and other transfers over the years. He built that ship multiple times with transfers.

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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306335

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I love the great job we have done with the transfer route. I just wish we did a little better job getting and retaining high school players.

According to ESPN, Mullin and staff have gotten 13 commits from 2015-2017. Excluding the 2018 class for a moment.

13 commits. And 3 of those players actually stayed at St. John's. Ponds and Trimble (so far) and then Bashir Ahmed.

Look at this wasteland of recruits that we have that just never really stuck with it here. Mussini, Yankuba Sima, Yakwe, Lovett, Darien Williams, Freudenberg, Diakite, Sidney Wilson, i mean even Zach Brown.

I like the product we have on the floor right now and I believe Matt will keep us afloat with his ability to snag JUCOs and transfers. But damn I wish I had faith the staff could get a couple of high level HS recruits. Thank god for Shamorie, he's the only one.
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306337

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Marillac wrote: I am extremely happy with the recruiting. Our recruiting has gotten better each season...so much so that earlier recruits have left to find more playing time.

I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.


Not sure where this pom pom moment is coming from but gushing over getting two 4 star players via the transfer route who have had spotty longevity records at prior schools does not spell continuity but rather our modus operandi when we fail to land or maintain our own 4 star recuits.
Good for you if you are extremely happy with our recruiting but the transfer U designation has a double edged sword attached to that reputation. It may put doubts in the minds of high school recruits who see the staff favoring transfer players rather than giving talented 4 star players key roles from day one. Mullin's recent comments seem to back that philosophy. Were you extremely happy with this past season's recruiting of prep players? One is a 4 star and the other two are 3 star. Other than garbage time, has any shown you anything to give you good vibes for the approaching Big East games? Do you see a Kris Monroe, Jimmy Nichols, A.J. Reeves or David Duke among our freshmen? Those are the Providence freshmen that played key roles in defeating B.C. tonight.
We fortunately have a talented FIVE in year FOUR but with a huge flaw on the front line. That's not continuity. When 5TH year Marvin Clark shows he has developed a turn around jumper around the key or does more than put up 3 point shots we may have a chance with the more talented teams coming up.
Not having signed one of our original top 100 targets makes you happy with our recruiting?
North points to a disturbing fact and that is that this is Matt's team and not Mullin's. None of the three amigos from California have credit for a top recruit to this date.
I think we will loose 4 to 5 players by April. Just bringing in 4 star transfers doesn't guarantee anything at St. John's as North indirectly points out since many have left the program and our record has been in the. 500 range with all the great recruiting you celebrate.
Just presenting the minority point of view here.;)
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306341

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Class of 72 wrote:

Marillac wrote: I am extremely happy with the recruiting. Our recruiting has gotten better each season...so much so that earlier recruits have left to find more playing time.

I love the transfer u designation. Even losing Ponds and Clark after the season, next year will mark the first of hopefully many seasons we have continuity. That's how good programs keep it rolling.


Not sure where this pom pom moment is coming from but gushing over getting two 4 star players via the transfer route who have had spotty longevity records at prior schools does not spell continuity but rather our modus operandi when we fail to land or maintain our own 4 star recuits.
Good for you if you are extremely happy with our recruiting but the transfer U designation has a double edged sword attached to that reputation. It may put doubts in the minds of high school recruits who see the staff favoring transfer players rather than giving talented 4 star players key roles from day one. Mullin's recent comments seem to back that philosophy. Were you extremely happy with this past season's recruiting of prep players? One is a 4 star and the other two are 3 star. Other than garbage time, has any shown you anything to give you good vibes for the approaching Big East games? Do you see a Kris Monroe, Jimmy Nichols, A.J. Reeves or David Duke among our freshmen? Those are the Providence freshmen that played key roles in defeating B.C. tonight.
We fortunately have a talented FIVE in year FOUR but with a huge flaw on the front line. That's not continuity. When 5TH year Marvin Clark shows he has developed a turn around jumper around the key or does more than put up 3 point shots we may have a chance with the more talented teams coming up.
Not having signed one of our original top 100 targets makes you happy with our recruiting?
North points to a disturbing fact and that is that this is Matt's team and not Mullin's. None of the three amigos from California have credit for a top recruit to this date.
I think we will loose 4 to 5 players by April. Just bringing in 4 star transfers doesn't guarantee anything at St. John's as North indirectly points out since many have left the program and our record has been in the. 500 range with all the great recruiting you celebrate.
Just presenting the minority point of view here.;)


Minority point of view? Not sure it is.

BTW-I remember being told repeatedly after the Williams, Roberts and Earlington signings that this was evidence the staff was recruiting well because these were solid back up plans to missing on Muhammad, Naz Reid, Moses Brown etc...How is that working out?

One last thing, y'all do realize that this "strategy" has yielded a 3 year record of 38-60/12-42. Last year alone this great recruiting produced a 4-14 league record with 3 losses combined to DePaul and Georgetown...in other words exactly where is the immense success that should be applauded? The 7-0 start is nice, but it is against a schedule softer than Charmin with a rotation of barely 7 guys even against the bad teams. And this is the fruit of all that "great recruiting." And if the counter argument to this is "he needed time to build a roster" then why can't the counter to that be maybe "he chose the wrong strategy and maybe that is why it is taking him so long." No, not reasonable?

Honest question for some of you, with those same "facts" do you honestly think you would be defending any other SJU coach as hard as you do if their name was NOT "Chris Mullin?"

Look if some on this board want to always keep things positive especially since the team is 7-0, then why do those same people insist on starting threads on something that has CLEARLY been a weakness of this program and in essence "poke the bear."
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306343

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love the talent on the roster this year very happy with the transfer game which I think went from backup plan to virtually our main plan. Dont think our HS recruiting has been good at all other than Ponds and Uconn recruiting this year on the HS level is for me at least proving we aren't cutting it on the HS level
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Recruiting to Date 1 week 4 days ago #306347

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Admittedly it’s been done in an unorthodox way but the talent level of this team compared to when Mullin took over is immensely better. The only knock I have is not getting another big from somewhere. I really don’t care how we bring talent in here as long as we do. This recruiting cycle we have signed Steere and Mack with Wright and Caraher already on board for next season. The only problem was not getting another big fir this season. Otherwise, they have been bringing talent in here.

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