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NET rankings 2 weeks 1 day ago #305520

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Adam wrote: Rutgers up 8 early vs MSU. If Rutgers is decent would be huge for our OOC. They just need to be top 75 for the win to qualify as T1.


I think they might. They have a pretty balanced team, with good size, athleticism and shooting. They just weren’t ready for us that day but they are going to be solid imo.
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NET rankings 1 week 6 days ago #305987

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Georgia Tech, being neutral, is currently a T2 win (they are #97).

When the new rankings release today, I expect us to move up about 4-5 spots (we're currently #23).

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NET rankings 1 week 5 days ago #306128

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NET was just updated a few minutes ago (seems to only update on weekdays)...

www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/...ketball-net-rankings

We dropped from #23 to #33, after a very good win vs a neutral site Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech, meanwhile, moved UP from #97 to #94.

In RPI SJU is #15.

I get that it's early, but these NET numbers look broken. It's possible they are due to how our previous opponents played over the past few days, though I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

Anyways, still very small samples and tomorrow we'll probably be #21 or something. As I said in the OP, looking at other teams I still think running up the margins on weaker teams helps a lot, so fortunately we'll have plenty of opportunities to do that in December. I suspect during December our RPI will drop and our NET will rise.
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NET rankings 1 week 5 days ago #306129

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We also have a Pomeroy of 49 and a Sagarin of 52 and 40 in ESPN’s BPI which is to be expected given our soft schedule and close games. As long as we don’t slip up before Seton Hall our season will come down to how we play in conference.
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Adam wrote: NET was just updated a few minutes ago (seems to only update on weekdays)...

www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/...ketball-net-rankings

We dropped from #23 to #33, after a very good win vs a neutral site Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech, meanwhile, moved UP from #97 to #94.

In RPI SJU is #15.

I get that it's early, but these NET numbers look broken. It's possible they are due to how our previous opponents played over the past few days, though I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

Anyways, still very small samples and tomorrow we'll probably be #21 or something. As I said in the OP, looking at other teams I still think running up the margins on weaker teams helps a lot, so fortunately we'll have plenty of opportunities to do that in December. I suspect during December our RPI will drop and our NET will rise.


Weird to fall ten spots but I think it had a lot to do with Rutgers falling 40 spots with Miami losing to Yale and Rutgers losing to Michigan State. Seems like all the negative energy is built in at this point. Rutgers remaining top 50 was not sustainable.

A VCU win over a Texas would really help. Now we need to trounce this weaklings coming up. These close games aren't helping.
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NET rankings 1 week 5 days ago #306132

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Yep, I noticed Rutgers and was thinking about mentioning them, but since they're only 1/7th of our opponents I didn't think them moving down from (I think) 51 to 78 would have that much of an impact. Some impact for certain, though.

And yes, margins definitely play a part in all this. Despite being 7-0, we've performed worse than the line in I believe every game (aside from Rutgers). That explains why RPI (which doesn't factor margins) is higher than NET. And then something like KenPom which primarily factors in margins (rather than winning/losing) undervalues us.

Something to keep in mind too, there are still plenty of teams ahead of us that won't be there by the end of the year. #13 Buffalo (actually wouldn't shock me), #17 Utah St, #29 San Fran and #30 Radford, Also suspect major conference teams who mostly have been eating up cupcakes, like #15 NC State and #33 Pitt.
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NET rankings 1 week 5 days ago #306134

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Even with a solid if unspectacular conference season they should make NCAA's as long as they don't lose any non-con's that don't have the name Duke next to the game. Then the next issue will be seeding. They will get a weak seed though unless they can have a blowout conference season, 13/14 wins.

That is where those Sagarin, BPI and RPI numbers will hurt them.
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fordham96 wrote: Even with a solid if unspectacular conference season they should make NCAA's as long as they don't lose any non-con's that don't have the name Duke next to the game. Then the next issue will be seeding. They will get a weak seed though unless they can have a blowout conference season, 13/14 wins.

That is where those Sagarin, BPI and RPI numbers will hurt them.


I am not sure seed is that important unless the goal is to win one game which would be great. If you are an 8 seed you play a 9 seed and have a decent chance to win but then you are almost definitely done. If you are an 11 seed(not one of the ones that go to Dayton because that is not the real tournament imo)you play a six seed which is a much harder game but if you win you play a 3 seed which gives you a slim shot at the sweet sixteen. Syracuse did the Dayton thing and made the Final Four actually.

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Andrew wrote:

fordham96 wrote: Even with a solid if unspectacular conference season they should make NCAA's as long as they don't lose any non-con's that don't have the name Duke next to the game. Then the next issue will be seeding. They will get a weak seed though unless they can have a blowout conference season, 13/14 wins.

That is where those Sagarin, BPI and RPI numbers will hurt them.


I am not sure seed is that important unless the goal is to win one game which would be great. If you are an 8 seed you play a 9 seed and have a decent chance to win but then you are almost definitely done. If you are an 11 seed(not one of the ones that go to Dayton because that is not the real tournament imo)you play a six seed which is a much harder game but if you win you play a 3 seed which gives you a slim shot at the sweet sixteen. Syracuse did the Dayton thing and made the Final Four actually.


Yes, but I was talking about the silly comparisons to the 98-99 and 99-2000 teams. There is a difference between simply "making" the NCAA Tournament and actually being one of the better teams to be IN the Tournament.

That is the goal of this program. Obviously making it is step 1. But I would hate to have the "BEST" years be the one's where SJU makes the Tourney as a 8/9 seed.

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I don’t care if we wind up in an 8/9 game. I just do not want to get stuck in one of those play in games.

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