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Recruiting Impact on “Scandal Schools” 10 months 1 week ago #297481

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NCJohnnie wrote: Paultzman wrote: One case for Louisville death penalty if trial has a bad outcome;
sports.yahoo.com/louisville-basketball-g...trial-225857521.html

Certainly seems like the Ville should get some major sanction here; if not the death penalty, certainly a few years off.
Wonder if Aidan is rethinking his commitment...


Did he commit? I thought that didn't happen yet.

Didn’t
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Recruiting Impact on “Scandal Schools” 10 months 1 week ago #297491

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Sorry. My post was poorly worded. I knew he hadn't actually committed anywhere yet, but was referring to Louisville seeming to be overwhelming favorite.

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Recruiting Impact on “Scandal Schools” 10 months 1 week ago #297496

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NCJohnnie wrote: Sorry. My post was poorly worded. I knew he hadn't actually committed anywhere yet, but was referring to Louisville seeming to be overwhelming favorite.


Funny, NCJ. I’ve been daring to hope the same miracle, that Aidan would reshuffle his choices and the ‘last’ of 4 shall be first!
How sweet and how unlikely.

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NCJohnnie wrote: Paultzman wrote: One case for Louisville death penalty if trial has a bad outcome;
sports.yahoo.com/louisville-basketball-g...trial-225857521.html

Certainly seems like the Ville should get some major sanction here; if not the death penalty, certainly a few years off.
Wonder if Aidan is rethinking his commitment...


Ultimately Lousivville got rid of the assistant who was at the center of this in addition to getting rid of his boss, Rick Pitino. And the player, Bowen, never played a minute for them. Not sure what sanctions you want to give them. Unless you find other examples of where they directly benefited from something illegal or knowingly turned a blind eye towards wrongdoing not sure what could happen to them. They would argue as soon as things were discovered they took immediate action. It is not enough to simply show something bad may have happened.

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NCJohnnie wrote: Paultzman wrote: One case for Louisville death penalty if trial has a bad outcome;
sports.yahoo.com/louisville-basketball-g...trial-225857521.html

Certainly seems like the Ville should get some major sanction here; if not the death penalty, certainly a few years off.
Wonder if Aidan is rethinking his commitment...


Ultimately Lousivville got rid of the assistant who was at the center of this in addition to getting rid of his boss, Rick Pitino. And the player, Bowen, never played a minute for them. Not sure what sanctions you want to give them. Unless you find other examples of where they directly benefited from something illegal or knowingly turned a blind eye towards wrongdoing not sure what could happen to them. They would argue as soon as things were discovered they took immediate action. It is not enough to simply show something bad may have happened.


The article that Paultz posted describes a cash payment to Bowen Sr. after the suspensions and firings and after the NCAA sanctions, plus Bowen Sr., was living large in a suite in a major Louisiville Hotel.
Seems like there’s some grist to grind there.
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Per @PeteBrush
Former Adidas "fixer" T.J. Gassnola is now on the stand. He used to work for defendant Jim Gatto at Adidas before pleading out and cooperating with prosecutors. Says defendants Merl Code, Christian Dawkins and Jim Gatto assisted him on paying athletes under the table #HoopsTrial

Gassnola tells the jury he helped the #HoopsTrial defendants pay five players on the sly. According to his testimony those players are: Billy Preston, Dennis Smith Jr., Silvio De Sousa, Tugs Bowen and Deandre Ayton

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Recruiting Impact on “Scandal Schools” 10 months 1 week ago #297577

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Here's the case for the death penalty for Louisville as laid out in the article Paultzman posted:

Perhaps, but if Bowen’s account was true, they most certainly were paying players, or at least the parents of players. That is a clear major violation. This isn’t in the gray area. And it occurred a little over two months after getting drilled in a separate major violation case. Plus, just two months prior Johnson claimed there would never be a payment and now he was making a payment, so whether this would really be a one-time thing is questionable.
We never got to find out, of course. By late September, when the scandal broke, Johnson was placed on administrative leave. He was fired in November and now works as an assistant at LaSalle. That school has offered no comment yet on the allegations Tuesday.
The NCAA’s stated criteria for implementing the “repeat violator” legislation and enacting the so-called death penalty is straightforward.
“Following the announcement of a major case, a major violation occurs … within five years of the starting date of the penalty assessed in the first case,” NCAA documents read. “The second major case does not have to be in the same sport as the previous case to affect the second sport.”
In this case it isn’t just the same sport, men’s basketball, it’s the same coaching staff, Rick Pitino’s. And forget five years, Louisville didn’t make it five months.
The first, with the strippers and the prostitutes, occurred because of the direct actions of director of basketball operations Andre McGee, who was gone by the time the sanctions hit. This one, if true, would be the associate head coach.
Perhaps even worse for Louisville, this trial isn’t even half over. The prosecution has already stated, without details, that another assistant coach, Jordan Fair, paid $900 to a separate student athlete at an undisclosed time. It is also possible that a secret recording of a meeting in Las Vegas may be introduced featuring Fair. That’s three separate members of Pitino’s staff that would be implicated.
The NCAA has brought out the death penalty only once, barring the SMU football team from playing the 1987 season and limiting the 1988 season to only home games for violating NCAA rules while on probation. The school decided to sit out 1988 also.
This is similar, sort of. Prostitutes, strippers and then alleged direct cash payments, only not from rogue boosters or in the shadows via agents, but Pitino’s own hand-picked staff members.
If the committee on infractions doesn’t have the courage to implement the death penalty on that, then the NCAA should just give up and take it off the books.

If the allegations of Bowen Sr. are true, the facts fit the penalty suggested. Frankly doesn't matter that they got rid of the two actual violators after each offense.
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Unbelievable, if true NCJ.
Got to think Mack was reassured all was clean when he took job.
Almost have to expect current commitments to bail as well as prospective targets.

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