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Do we really need a center? 4 months 6 days ago #288169

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mjmaherjr wrote: you can win small but you absolutely cant win when your rebound numbers are disgusting.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We sucked rebounding and in assists.

That flat out needs to change


Think assists will go up, and expect that to really go up if Heron is eligible. Just having more scorers should make that total go higher.


Yup agree. We ranked last in assists per game last season @ 12.8 / game, the next worst team was Providence @ 13.9 A/pg.
Creighton led the conference with 17.8 assists / game, right behind G*Town with 17.4; Xavier was 3rd @ 16.5/game, and Nova 4th with 16.4/game.
We've got a long way to go.

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Do we really need a center? 4 months 6 days ago #288170

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It is Sedee if he wears 3 pair of socksLOL Did not think a inch makes any difference

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Do we really need a center? 4 months 6 days ago #288171

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Regarding rebounding, hopefully Keita will be a stronger rebounder than Owens. I wouldn't assume Figueroa will be better than Ahmed who was not bad for a small forward; 4.7 RPG as opposed to 4.9 for Desi Rodriguez and 5.4 for Mikael Bridges. Heron will be a big help there if he is eligible.

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Do we really need a center? 4 months 6 days ago #288172

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I THINK FIGUEROA will or should be better. Hoping so, think he could be special
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Do we really need a center? 4 months 6 days ago #288173

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Logen wrote: You can win small, you can win big; it is about players, not size. Does a tall player who can play have certain advantages, certainly. My favorite team of all time, the NY Knicks of 1969-1970 -

Starting 5 -
Willis Reed 6'9''
Dave Debusschere 6'6''
Bill Bradley 6'5'
Walt Frazier 6'4'''
Dick Barnett 6'4''

Principal reserves
Cazzie Russell 6'5''
Mike Riordan 6'4''
Dave Stallworth 6'7''

Other reserves (got some court time)
Nate Bowman 6'10''
Don May 6'4''

Very small team by any standard - league with Chamberlain, Jabbar to throw out a couple of names. Height is a good thing, not arguing it isn't, but having players who can play and play as a team is much more important. There are others, Cowens' Celtic teams were small with forwards who couldn't jump but could rebound just to name another. The first UCLA championship team with Walt Hazzard was very small if I remember right. Aging myself with the teams I reference but there it is....................................

But in that era, 6-9 centers were not unusual (Dave Cowens and 6-7 Wes Unseld were two pretty good ones, and a couple of years earlier, so was 6-9 Bill Russell). Also, Willis Reed may have been 6-9, but he was an ox and wasn't pushed around by bigger opponents, even by the likes of Wilt. In fact, if you didn't have a formidable center in those days (unlike, say, Michael Jordan's Bulls teams), you didn't win titles. As for Dave Debusschere, 6-6 was pretty standard for power forwards at the time (the Bullets' Gus Johnson immediately comes to mind; and like Willis, he was about strength, not height.) So the forecourt on that Knicks squad wasn't all that undersized for that era, including having a strong guard like Clyde. (Looking over that list of names you posted always brings a smile to my face. Talk about chemistry and high basketball IQ's!)
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Do we really need a center? 4 months 5 days ago #288195

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usguard wrote: It is Sedee if he wears 3 pair of socksLOL Did not think a inch makes any difference


But then who is the third player you have at 6'8" or taller? We really only have two. One is a freshman rail, so yes it is fair to say that we are small.
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Do we really need a center? 4 months 5 days ago #288201

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JohnnyFan wrote:

usguard wrote: It is Sedee if he wears 3 pair of socksLOL Did not think a inch makes any difference


But then who is the third player you have at 6'8" or taller? We really only have two. One is a freshman rail, so yes it is fair to say that we are small.


After seeing the pic of the three freshmen, I'm not sure Roberts is more than 6'6 1/2". He has a lot of work ahead of him, whether that means gaining 40 lbs. of muscle or developing SF skills.
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Do we really need a center? 4 months 5 days ago #288204

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L J S A wrote:

JohnnyFan wrote:

usguard wrote: It is Sedee if he wears 3 pair of socksLOL Did not think a inch makes any difference


But then who is the third player you have at 6'8" or taller? We really only have two. One is a freshman rail, so yes it is fair to say that we are small.


After seeing the pic of the three freshmen, I'm not sure Roberts is more than 6'6 1/2". He has a lot of work ahead of him, whether that means gaining 40 lbs. of muscle or developing SF skills.


Im thinking positive and hoping Marcellus is just a little taller than has been said. Greg 6'3, ME 6'5 1/2", JR 6'7 1/2". Also, ive heard people mention Roberts frame in the same breath as Owens'. IMO that statement will be a joke in a year or so. His upper body is already bigger than Owens was as a college senior.
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Do we really need a center? 4 months 5 days ago #288219

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NCJohnnie wrote: Regarding rebounding, hopefully Keita will be a stronger rebounder than Owens. I wouldn't assume Figueroa will be better than Ahmed who was not bad for a small forward; 4.7 RPG as opposed to 4.9 for Desi Rodriguez and 5.4 for Mikael Bridges. Heron will be a big help there if he is eligible.


Guard/Wing rebounding last year was actually good with Ponds/Simon/Bash averaging almost 17 per game. In fact STJ was the only team to have more than 1 player listed as a guard in the top 25 in RB in conference. ESPN listed Bash as a G so there were 3, and Simon was the top rebounding guard in the conference.

But Clark and Owens as the supposed front line averaged barely over 10 combined. Now was that a reflection on them or on the fact that CM seems to want everyone standing around the 3 pt line on offense. I have to bet the O Rebounding was an especially strong culprit . . .

. . . just checked and sure enough they were 2nd from the bottom in O%. The only one worse was Creighton but they were #1 in D%. STJ was 8th in D%, Just bad overall, however the two teams almost as bad (Marquette which was the worst and Butler which was nearly as bad) each had .500 records in conference. Of course G-Town (T1) and Depaul (4) were top teams in the conference in Rebounding. So I don't know anything.

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Do we really need a center? 4 months 5 days ago #288227

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L J S A wrote:

JohnnyFan wrote:

usguard wrote: It is Sedee if he wears 3 pair of socksLOL Did not think a inch makes any difference


But then who is the third player you have at 6'8" or taller? We really only have two. One is a freshman rail, so yes it is fair to say that we are small.


After seeing the pic of the three freshmen, I'm not sure Roberts is more than 6'6 1/2". He has a lot of work ahead of him, whether that means gaining 40 lbs. of muscle or developing SF skills.

A lot of work & just not a power guy at this point. Can we be patient with his development and set realistic expectations for a raw player with potential?
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