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Tom in Salem wrote:

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Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.


And not to be an instigator but you omitted Mickey Dixon a 2* I believe out of high school and the freshman of the year in his conference and Sedeeki Keita a4* I believe out of high school.

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redmannorth wrote:

Tom in Salem wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.


And not to be an instigator but you omitted Mickey Dixon a 2* I believe out of high school and the freshman of the year in his conference and Sedeeki Keita a4* I believe out of high school.


Mullin not being there for the visit had no outcome on his commitment to DePaul

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Tom in Salem wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.

Trying to stay positive, but I couldn't help but laugh when I read this.

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Around the Big East 18/19 2 years 5 months ago #285872

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redmannorth wrote:

Tom in Salem wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.


And not to be an instigator but you omitted Mickey Dixon a 2* I believe out of high school and the freshman of the year in his conference and Sedeeki Keita a4* I believe out of high school.


Wrong recruiting cycle.

But FWIW Depaul will welcome Jalen Coleman Lands, a 4 star transfer from Illinois who has 2 years of eligibility and committed in the same cycle as Dixon and Keita.

But if we're talking 2018 then In the cycle actually being discussed they also secured sit out transfer Darious Hall from Arkansas, but St Johns secured sitouts Eli Wright and David Caraher.

Just keeping everyone accurate in the DePaul vs St Johns recruiting wars.
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austour wrote:

redmannorth wrote:

Tom in Salem wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.


And not to be an instigator but you omitted Mickey Dixon a 2* I believe out of high school and the freshman of the year in his conference and Sedeeki Keita a4* I believe out of high school.


Wrong recruiting cycle.

But FWIW Depaul will welcome Jalen Coleman Lands, a 4 star transfer from Illinois who has 2 years of eligibility and committed in the same cycle as Dixon and Keita.

But if we're talking 2018 then In the cycle actually being discussed they also secured sit out transfer Darious Hall from Arkansas, but St Johns secured sitouts Eli Wright and David Caraher.

Just keeping everyone accurate in the DePaul vs St Johns recruiting wars.


Not to knock DePaul but this discussion in itself is a bit depressing.

Put it to you another way 3 years ago when Mullin was hired did you think we would be going into year 4 talking about whether SJU is recruiting better than DePaul or Villanova? I would have hoped to be comparing SJU to Villanova. The fact it's DePaul at this point should tell people who continually defend this staff's recruiting need to admit it is simply not at a level we expected nor should expect from SJU. That doesn't mean you fire Mullin but you should admit what I just wrote is true..
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fordham96 wrote:

austour wrote:

redmannorth wrote:

Tom in Salem wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


You omitted Femi Olujobi.
He'll start for DePaul, and would have started here, had mullin bothered to be on campus for his visit.
Thanks for participating.


And not to be an instigator but you omitted Mickey Dixon a 2* I believe out of high school and the freshman of the year in his conference and Sedeeki Keita a4* I believe out of high school.


Wrong recruiting cycle.

But FWIW Depaul will welcome Jalen Coleman Lands, a 4 star transfer from Illinois who has 2 years of eligibility and committed in the same cycle as Dixon and Keita.

But if we're talking 2018 then In the cycle actually being discussed they also secured sit out transfer Darious Hall from Arkansas, but St Johns secured sitouts Eli Wright and David Caraher.

Just keeping everyone accurate in the DePaul vs St Johns recruiting wars.


Not to knock DePaul but this discussion in itself is a bit depressing.

Put it to you another way 3 years ago when Mullin was hired did you think we would be going into year 4 talking about whether SJU is recruiting better than DePaul or Villanova? I would have hoped to be comparing SJU to Villanova. The fact it's DePaul at this point should tell people who continually defend this staff's recruiting need to admit it uus simply not at a level we expected nor should expect from SJU. That doesn't mean you fire Mullin but you should admit what I just wrote is true..


What you wrote is painfully true!
Happy now?;)
Three years ago after Mullin hired both Slice and Matt we thought we would be recruiting at a high level. What happened with Slice and the recruiting results that followed were a kick in the nuts.
But we are innocently discussing the two Vincentian schools because of our common roots and, as you pointed out, because we have been the cellar dwellers the past three years.
But Villanova is on a different level from DePaul and St. John's not only because they are two time national championship winners but because they have had a consistently talented roster while we have lost most of our recruits via early departure and transfers.
We have been in catch up mode but this year we should have most of the pieces to make a fair assessments and judge whether recruiting finally shows results with our major targets.
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otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


That's true. I've been making the BE recruiting threads on Holy Land (as Adoraz) for the past 5 years, so I know DePaul hasn't been recruiting well and SJU has consistently out recruited them.

However, Romeo is ranked higher than any SJU player since Jordan. I'd take a player like Romeo over the high volume of players SJU has been recruiting the past couple years. Ponds was close in his ranking, but aside from him we have not been able to crack the Top 50 players. Even Top 100 has been tough. Our recruiting has been trending downwards, while the basement pf the conference is somehow trending upwards.

All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem.

Congrats to DePaul though. Always good to see the conference's worst team win a huge recruiting battle.

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Adam wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


That's true. I've been making the BE recruiting threads on Holy Land (as Adoraz) for the past 5 years, so I know DePaul hasn't been recruiting well and SJU has consistently out recruited them.

However, Romeo is ranked higher than any SJU player since Jordan. I'd take a player like Romeo over the high volume of players SJU has been recruiting the past couple years. Ponds was close in his ranking, but aside from him we have not been able to crack the Top 50 players. Even Top 100 has been tough. Our recruiting has been trending downwards, while the basement pf the conference is somehow trending upwards.

All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem.

Congrats to DePaul though. Always good to see the conference's worst team win a huge recruiting battle.


Adam wrote: "All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem."

I agree with you if we we are talking about talented front court players. We lost Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, and almost every top big recruit to date. That has been a problem.
However, Ponds, Simon, Figueroa, Williams and Dixon are very high level D1 players and as good in the positions 1 through 3 than any players signed since the Lavin era.
I've said in the past that Matt is a good recruiter for the Owens, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon and Figueroa's of the world but has not connected well on the prep circuit with bigs especially.
As many people are saying, that is why we need a second recruiter.
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Class of 72 wrote:

Adam wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


That's true. I've been making the BE recruiting threads on Holy Land (as Adoraz) for the past 5 years, so I know DePaul hasn't been recruiting well and SJU has consistently out recruited them.

However, Romeo is ranked higher than any SJU player since Jordan. I'd take a player like Romeo over the high volume of players SJU has been recruiting the past couple years. Ponds was close in his ranking, but aside from him we have not been able to crack the Top 50 players. Even Top 100 has been tough. Our recruiting has been trending downwards, while the basement pf the conference is somehow trending upwards.

All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem.

Congrats to DePaul though. Always good to see the conference's worst team win a huge recruiting battle.


Adam wrote: "All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem."

I agree with you if we we are talking about talented front court players. We lost Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, and almost every top big recruit to date. That has been a problem.
However, Ponds, Simon, Figueroa, Williams and Dixon are very high level D1 players and as good in the positions 1 through 3 than any players signed since the Lavin era.
I've said in the past that Matt is a good recruiter for the Owens, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon and Figueroa's of the world but has not connected well on the prep circuit with bigs especially.
As many people are saying, that is why we need a second recruiter.


I was happy with Mullin's first/second classes. We've also picked up a few good players during the last few years as you've said.

However, overall I'm concerned because I think the trend is downwards and I'm not optimistic about 2019.

Here's how 247 ranks SJU in the team rankings by year (recruits only, so no transfers):

2011: #7 <Lavin
2012: #33
2013: #88
2014: #115
2015: #26 <Mullin
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #55
2019: NR as no recruits yet

We are not yet in second half Lavin territory, but with another bad year on the court we would be.

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Adam wrote:

Class of 72 wrote:

Adam wrote:

otis wrote:

Adam wrote: How is it possible that DePaul is out recruiting us?..........


Rivals does not support your belief that DePaul recruited better during the recent 2018 cycle.

According to Rivals
DePaul received 2 recruits for the 2018 cycle both 3 star:
George Maslennikov 3*** , 6’8” forward
John Deiner 3*** , 6’4” guard

St. John’s received 4 recruits for the 2018 cycle including two 4 star recruits
Greg Williams. 4 **** , 6’3” guard
L.J Figuroa 4**** , 6’5” guard
Marcellus Earlington 3*** 6’6” forward
Josh Roberts 3*** 6’8” forward


That's true. I've been making the BE recruiting threads on Holy Land (as Adoraz) for the past 5 years, so I know DePaul hasn't been recruiting well and SJU has consistently out recruited them.

However, Romeo is ranked higher than any SJU player since Jordan. I'd take a player like Romeo over the high volume of players SJU has been recruiting the past couple years. Ponds was close in his ranking, but aside from him we have not been able to crack the Top 50 players. Even Top 100 has been tough. Our recruiting has been trending downwards, while the basement pf the conference is somehow trending upwards.

All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem.

Congrats to DePaul though. Always good to see the conference's worst team win a huge recruiting battle.


Adam wrote: "All I'm saying is our recruiting has gotten worse, and that's a problem."

I agree with you if we we are talking about talented front court players. We lost Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, and almost every top big recruit to date. That has been a problem.
However, Ponds, Simon, Figueroa, Williams and Dixon are very high level D1 players and as good in the positions 1 through 3 than any players signed since the Lavin era.
I've said in the past that Matt is a good recruiter for the Owens, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon and Figueroa's of the world but has not connected well on the prep circuit with bigs especially.
As many people are saying, that is why we need a second recruiter.


I was happy with Mullin's first/second classes. We've also picked up a few good players during the last few years as you've said.

However, overall I'm concerned because I think the trend is downwards and I'm not optimistic about 2019.

Here's how 247 ranks SJU in the team rankings by year (recruits only, so no transfers):

2011: #7 <Lavin
2012: #33
2013: #88
2014: #115
2015: #26 <Mullin
2016: #24
2017: #48
2018: #55
2019: NR as no recruits yet

We are not yet in second half Lavin territory, but with another bad year on the court we would be.


The second half of the Lavin era is deceiving. Lavin held on to most of his original outstanding recruits while Mullin lost most of them earlier than expected requiring transfers who are very good players. The recruiting paradigm has changed since 2011. We are, and have been deficient at the 4 and the 5 positions for three seasons but now have the best depth at 1 through 3 in years, assuming Ponds returns. The failure has been up front and it has been difficult to compete and recover because of it. Our rebounding woes says it all.
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