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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292175

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If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.

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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292176

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Mean Gene wrote: If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.


If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292189

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Windy City Johnny Fan wrote:

Mean Gene wrote: If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.


If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.


That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.

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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292193

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SJU11Redmen wrote: I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?


Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292195

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Room112 wrote:

SJU11Redmen wrote: I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?


Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.


The problem is not the Rutgers, GTech's, Cal's of the world. I agree some of those games are scheduled in advance and hard to predict where those teams will be when the games roll around (other than maybe Rutgers ;). The problem is the bottom of the schedule - FOUR (capital letters used for emphasis) home games against 300+ kenpom teams from last year? Why? There is absolutely no benefit. None. Those teams are horrific, there isn't really a reason to schedule one, let alone FOUR (again, for emphasis). There is no justification, no excuse, it is just bad. Period. So teams with at large aspirations don't want to play us? Fine, instead of scheduling FOUR high school JV teams, where is Iona, or Monmouth, Hofstra, Rider, Canisuis, Albany, Buffalo or any number of other 100+ kenpom teams that wouldn't be embarrassing to see on the schedule. Just ludicrous.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292197

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Room112 wrote:

SJU11Redmen wrote: I think a lot of people are missing the fact that we have been horrific for 3 years now. A lot of scheduling is done in advance. Like it or not we have been no better than Rutgers, Cal, GT, etc. Teams we are complaining that we have scheduled. Why should we expect other schools to hurt their OOC schedule by putting us on there?


Because we have fans who have unrealistic expectations like we're still in the 80's and 90's.


I don't agree with that. I think our expectations have been lowered from being a perennial fixture in the NCAA Tournament to a team that we hope scores an at-large birth more years than not. A schedule like this gives us no wiggle room for a slip up and that's a lot of pressure to put on a team.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292198

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Mike Zaun wrote:

Windy City Johnny Fan wrote:

Mean Gene wrote: If we can win at Duke and finish with one loss out of conference and top 3 in conference the weak schedule will not mean that much come selection time. I think it's a good possibility if Heron is eligible.


If you've set your schedule up so that you have to win at Duke to get an at large bid, you did it wrong.


That's why it's unbelievable how they came out with this schedule. Even if we finally do have a good year and we appear to be on the right side of the bubble, our major theme will be "are they for real?" due to who we played in OOC. Dick Vitale is already giving negative national press on Twitter saying we are in the running for his "Cupcake City" award. When fans seem to know more than coaches it's scary. It doesn't take being Jay Bilas or Dick Vitale to understand what type of schedule you should have. The only way this is excusable is if we called all of the real nationally relevant programs and they all said no, but I have a hard time believing that. No we have not been good, but we offer NYC and MSG as the stage on national TV and you would think someone would bite. We are supposed to be pretty good this year so we can't use being bad last year as an excuse.


Mike and Windy City, I hear what both of you are saying and I agree. But, the fact of the matter is we can't change it now. So, what I am saying is that, if we can get Heron eligible and pull of the win at Duke and finish top 3 in conference the schedule will not matter. Especially if we make to the championship game of the Big East Tournament. The selection committee can not deny a 25 win Big East team an at large bid. I agree that it should not have come to this but this is what it is and I think that it's achievable if Heron is eligible. If they can't finish top 3 in conference and beat Duke it's going to be tough for them to get an at large bid short of winning the Big East Tournament. although , I think Temple is going to be much better than people think as far as their ranking.

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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292199

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To be clear I don't like the schedule. It's unfair to other Big East teams, who are SJUs partners as they will need to be the ones to boost the Confernces rating. But I expect that to happen. At the end of the day we could easily play 14 conference games against Top 100 teams and Duke is a lock. That's 15. Our OOC was very strong last year and we did well in it. Forget the NCAAs we didn't even make the NIT. We know why. Mullin has a point with his comment.

The biggest deal about this to me is as a ticketholder as it means more crappy games.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292200

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After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.
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2018/19 Schedule 2 months 1 week ago #292203

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IDRAFT wrote: After seeing an SJU/Iona game up close and personal last year I don't care if I ever see another one. I equate the difference between playing Iona or Hofstra versus playing St. Francis or Mt. St. Mary's as the difference between eating cat food or dog food. Neither will ever be mistaken for a lobster roll.


Iona may be more stressful than watching a blowout vs St. Francis, but a win vs Iona does a LOT more good to the team's RPI than a win vs St. Francis. An Iona win helps. A St. Francis win doesn't.

I don't think there's any reasonable argument out there for the bad schedule. Even if literally every major college said no, there are still plenty of teams ranked 50-150 that could've replaced the 300+ caliber teams. Could we seriously not schedule a decent A10 team like Dayton or Rhode Island? A WCC team like St. Mary's or BYU? An AAC team like UConn, UCF, Memphis, Cincy, or Houston?

Our schedule would make a lot of sense for year ONE of Mullin. Not year 4.
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