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Chris Ledlum, F, Staten Island, NY 2 months 3 weeks ago #290925

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Class of 72 wrote: That roster (cupboard) should not have been empty. There were 5 returning players and 3 commits. .


'72 please list the 5 players and 3 commits you reference.... Thanks.


Sure! Amended below is the Rumble analysis from 2015 that mentions all the "what-ifs".
You will see the 5 players who were underclassmen and the three commits, prior to Lavin getting fired.

"And consider all the ifs for the team to be solid:

If Rysheed Jordan, who had said on social media that he would go pro at the end of this year, returns for his junior season;
If Jordan, a pass-second guard, matured his on-court game and became a leader, while maturing off-court and dedicating himself to practice, staying on campus, and spent less time with his posse back home;
If Chris Obekpa improved into a solid rebounding force with occasional scoring bursts;
If Obekpa matured his on-court game and became a leader, while not flagrantly fouling opponents or otherwise violating team rules, as he did at the beginning of the 2013-14 season and the end of this season;
If Brandon Sampson is a ready-to-go scorer who can put up buckets against Big East opponents;
If Samir Doughty and Sammy Barnes-Thompkins can contribute;
If Lavin found some under-the-radar players to be early contributors like Nicola Akele;
If Marcus LoVett committed - and was academically eligible;
If Federico Mussini and Georgios Papagiannis decided they wanted to play American college basketball rather than playing as professionals in Europe;
If Mussini and Papagiannis decided they wanted to do that in Queens rather than Spokane (Gonzaga) or Tuscon (Arizona) or College Park (Maryland), for bigger programs have interest in both players;
If Amar Alibegovic, Felix Balamou, Adonis Delarosa and/ or Christian Jones became contributors on the box score, not just in the fouls column."
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Chris Ledlum, F, Staten Island, NY 2 months 3 weeks ago #290926

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Xavier offered Ledlum today

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Chris Ledlum, F, Staten Island, NY 2 months 3 weeks ago #290930

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Class of 72 wrote:

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fordham96 wrote: Here is the bottom line we should not need to "win big" to get the likes of Ledlum. No disrespect but seriously we need to "win big" to get a Ledlum or say Gaffney? Really we fired the last staff so we could maybe land players outside the top 100 in year 4? Uh no...that's complete nonsense.

Lavin landed Mo Harkless, Harrison, Pointer, Garrett etc before he ever coached a game and after 8 straight seasons of missing NCAAs. Btw he got Harkless to flip from Jim Calhoun and UCONN. And I have no problem with the fact he was fired but why should the standard be lower not higher. Stop acting like the staff took over SMU football after the Death Penalty...


Well what would you call a completely empty cupboard? That's pretty much exactly what Mullin inherited. Funny, all your names are from Year 1, so go on, Year 2, etc.


That roster (cupboard) should not have been empty. There were 5 returning players and 3 commits. Plus Slice secured Durand Johnson who was a 4 star player. Had everyone stayed committed, especially with Chris Obekpa, I don't think we lose a school record 17 losses in row or whatever it was. The loss of Jordan, Sampson and Obekpa decimated the roster. It wasn't Lavin who lost those players it was this staff who was new to the game and basically clueless in building a roster except for Slice and Matt.
All the players Fordham mentioned as Lavin recruits were from year two, not year one. Year one he took a bunch of losers from Norm Roberts and turned them into a nationally ranked team that went to the dance. I think Lavin signed at least one 4 star player every year but I've lost too much interest in the subject to bother to fact check.
We are now in the present and the future can be predicted by this year's wins and losses and the quality of recruits we have been pursuing for 3 years now.
Hopefully by year 5 we will never again bring up the empty cupboard in year one. We will no longer have an invisible Mitch and Slice on payroll. We will be coming off a 20 win season. We will have signed one or two local studs. Chris Mullin will have finally moved from California to the NY metro area.


Mully & Co. were cluster-humped that first year.
'72 are you referring to Jakarr Sampson--he opted for the pros after the 2014 season. Both Jordan and Obekpa had attitudes and opted to not join a more disciplined regime. Brandon Sampson reneged on his verbal--pressured by 'home-state' LSU. Cheick Diallo opted for Norm Roberts & Kansas.
The other two were 3*s and were not 'adopted' by the new Staff.
Samir Doughty has developed into a nice college player. Mistake.
Otherwise, CM inherited a bare roster, devoid of even mid-level major D1 talent.
That's just the facts.
And last year was very disappointing, but if LoVett hadn't left the team, I'm guessing 4 more wins would've been added to the tally, and a 20-13 record would've gotten us into the NIT.
The current roster is very talented, with Figueroa potentially a very nice 'surprise'.
Let the games begin.

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Class of 72 wrote: If Brandon Sampson is a ready-to-go scorer who can put up buckets against Big East opponents;
If Samir Doughty and Sammy Barnes-Thompkins can contribute;

Those are 3 real blasts from the past. Sampson played 3 disappointing years with LSU, getting only 18 mpg his junior year and then entering this year's NBA draft believe it or not! Thomkins couldn't get any time with Boston College as a frosh so transferred to Odessa JC and has since fallen off the college basketball map as far as I can see. Doughty is actually a redshirt sophomore for Auburn this coming year after sitting out twice as a transfer (for VCU & Auburn) .

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Brandon Sampson verbally committed to SJ in January of his senior year. He desperately wanted to go to LSU, but LSU did not offer him because they had a commitment from a much better player. At some point, LSU changed their mind and offered Brandon who accepted. It would not have mattered if Lavin stayed of if CM arrived. Sampson wanted to go to LSU. Obekpa and Rysheed were either unwilling or unable to remain at SJ. Anything else is revisionist history.

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MarkRedman wrote:

Chicago Days wrote: I agree big time about Figgy.
The consensus has us being a factor if Heron plays, which I agree with.
But we may also 'surprise' with LJ alone.
I think he'll be better than most think.


It generally takes awhile for a JUCO to adjust to the D-1 style of play
Bashir Ahmed is a prime example
I have no doubt that LJ will be a good player in time at St John's
Just don't expect too much in Year One


I see your point about having patience with any new kid, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "generally" JC players take a while to adjust. Some do, some don't. Off the top of my head, Berry, Harvey, Bootsy and Hatten all adjusted very well after coming over from JC.
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Chicago Days wrote:

Class of 72 wrote:

Logen wrote:

fordham96 wrote: Here is the bottom line we should not need to "win big" to get the likes of Ledlum. No disrespect but seriously we need to "win big" to get a Ledlum or say Gaffney? Really we fired the last staff so we could maybe land players outside the top 100 in year 4? Uh no...that's complete nonsense.

Lavin landed Mo Harkless, Harrison, Pointer, Garrett etc before he ever coached a game and after 8 straight seasons of missing NCAAs. Btw he got Harkless to flip from Jim Calhoun and UCONN. And I have no problem with the fact he was fired but why should the standard be lower not higher. Stop acting like the staff took over SMU football after the Death Penalty...


Well what would you call a completely empty cupboard? That's pretty much exactly what Mullin inherited. Funny, all your names are from Year 1, so go on, Year 2, etc.


That roster (cupboard) should not have been empty. There were 5 returning players and 3 commits. Plus Slice secured Durand Johnson who was a 4 star player. Had everyone stayed committed, especially with Chris Obekpa, I don't think we lose a school record 17 losses in row or whatever it was. The loss of Jordan, Sampson and Obekpa decimated the roster. It wasn't Lavin who lost those players it was this staff who was new to the game and basically clueless in building a roster except for Slice and Matt.
All the players Fordham mentioned as Lavin recruits were from year two, not year one. Year one he took a bunch of losers from Norm Roberts and turned them into a nationally ranked team that went to the dance. I think Lavin signed at least one 4 star player every year but I've lost too much interest in the subject to bother to fact check.
We are now in the present and the future can be predicted by this year's wins and losses and the quality of recruits we have been pursuing for 3 years now.
Hopefully by year 5 we will never again bring up the empty cupboard in year one. We will no longer have an invisible Mitch and Slice on payroll. We will be coming off a 20 win season. We will have signed one or two local studs. Chris Mullin will have finally moved from California to the NY metro area.


Mully & Co. were cluster-humped that first year.
'72 are you referring to Jakarr Sampson--he opted for the pros after the 2014 season. Both Jordan and Obekpa had attitudes and opted to not join a more disciplined regime. Brandon Sampson reneged on his verbal--pressured by 'home-state' LSU. Cheick Diallo opted for Norm Roberts & Kansas.
The other two were 3*s and were not 'adopted' by the new Staff.
Samir Doughty has developed into a nice college player. Mistake.
Otherwise, CM inherited a bare roster, devoid of even mid-level major D1 talent.
That's just the facts.
And last year was very disappointing, but if LoVett hadn't left the team, I'm guessing 4 more wins would've been added to the tally, and a 20-13 record would've gotten us into the NIT.
The current roster is very talented, with Figueroa potentially a very nice 'surprise'.
Let the games begin.


I agree and anything we discuss retroactively is mostly "what if" scenarios.
Our program has been a victim of circumstances for a number of years since the mediocre Norm years, Last year was another example with the Lovett issue and which could have been more successful had it not occurred.
Agree this year we have the talent and experience and hopefully we will be all on the same wavelength by April 2019.;)
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Hopefully we get an official visit.
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Paultzman wrote: No more football;


Hope so as well, but do we have a chance at this date? Chris Fisher of 247 has him for Vandy and some rookie 'nosticator has him for ND. Kid has exploded. Hope Matt still pursuing him.

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