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Astros 6 days 5 hours ago #372417

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With all the resources that the Astros and Redsox have - and they are still cheating - how do you feel if you are the KC Royals or some other smaller market team? Houston and Boston should be absolutely hammered over this.

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Astros 6 days 5 hours ago #372419

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SJ_NYC wrote: With all the resources that the Astros and Redsox - and they are still cheating - how do you feel if you are the KC Royals or some other smaller market team? Houston and Boston should be absolutely hammered over this.


They should, but the Astros weren't, and I suspect the Red Sux will get off fairly lightly too.

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Astros 6 days 4 hours ago #372427

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bamafan wrote:

L J S A wrote:

bamafan wrote: If the Mets fire Beltran he will be one of the most successful managers in team history finishing at .500 with a record of 0-0.



I actually think 0-0 is considered 1.000.

It's actually .000 and I was going to put in a disclaimer to my original post because I knew it would be caught but though it would ruin the joke. Consider the joke ruined. Thanks to all who participated. :lol:

Either way...

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Astros 4 days 15 hours ago #372861

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bamafan wrote:

L J S A wrote:

bamafan wrote: If the Mets fire Beltran he will be one of the most successful managers in team history finishing at .500 with a record of 0-0.



I actually think 0-0 is considered 1.000.

It's actually .000 and I was going to put in a disclaimer to my original post because I knew it would be caught but though it would ruin the joke. Consider the joke ruined. Thanks to all who participated. :lol:


I'm always too literal but isn't a zero in the denominator infinity?

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I thought division by zero is undefined.

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Didn't go back and read all the posts in this thread, and I have to admit I haven't read a ton on this whole cheating scandal, but it seems to me that the reaction is way overboard. I mean, are people upset that the Stros and Sox stole the signs? Or are they upset that they used technology to steal the signs? Because as someone that played a lot of organized baseball as a kid, it was well know that everyone tried to steal everyone else's signs. Catcher's signs, 3rd base coach signs, everyone! Hell it was part of the game. Nothing has changed about it. That's why the signs are so complicated. That's why pitchers cover their mouth with their glove when talking to a catcher or pitching coach on the mound, they know they're being watched. As far as I'm concerned, everyone does it who can do it. So again I ask the question: are people so upset by this because they stole signs, or because they used technology to steal signs?

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Monte wrote: Didn't go back and read all the posts in this thread, and I have to admit I haven't read a ton on this whole cheating scandal, but it seems to me that the reaction is way overboard. I mean, are people upset that the Stros and Sox stole the signs? Or are they upset that they used technology to steal the signs? Because as someone that played a lot of organized baseball as a kid, it was well know that everyone tried to steal everyone else's signs. Catcher's signs, 3rd base coach signs, everyone! Hell it was part of the game. Nothing has changed about it. That's why the signs are so complicated. That's why pitchers cover their mouth with their glove when talking to a catcher or pitching coach on the mound, they know they're being watched. As far as I'm concerned, everyone does it who can do it. So again I ask the question: are people so upset by this because they stole signs, or because they used technology to steal signs?


Monte, there is a big difference between baserunners trying to steal signs and relaying it to the catcher, and a team doing this using technology or other means.

Little leaguers couldnt hit a big fastball with a tail or a curveball if the pitcher announced it. High schooler for the matter either. Major leaguers though can crush fastballs all day if they know they are coming, lay off a split fingered sinker that's going to fall out of the strike zone, and be ready for a curve. It's why batter who are exceptionally good at guessing do a lot better. This is cheating at its worst. In basketball a team can know the other team's plays and mostly the better team wins anyway. In football, if you know plays, it can have a dramatic effect on the outcome. Baseball also.

www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-feb-04-sp-20895-story.html

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Astros 4 days 12 hours ago #372890

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Beast of the East wrote:

Monte wrote: Didn't go back and read all the posts in this thread, and I have to admit I haven't read a ton on this whole cheating scandal, but it seems to me that the reaction is way overboard. I mean, are people upset that the Stros and Sox stole the signs? Or are they upset that they used technology to steal the signs? Because as someone that played a lot of organized baseball as a kid, it was well know that everyone tried to steal everyone else's signs. Catcher's signs, 3rd base coach signs, everyone! Hell it was part of the game. Nothing has changed about it. That's why the signs are so complicated. That's why pitchers cover their mouth with their glove when talking to a catcher or pitching coach on the mound, they know they're being watched. As far as I'm concerned, everyone does it who can do it. So again I ask the question: are people so upset by this because they stole signs, or because they used technology to steal signs?


Monte, there is a big difference between baserunners trying to steal signs and relaying it to the catcher, and a team doing this using technology or other means.

Little leaguers couldnt hit a big fastball with a tail or a curveball if the pitcher announced it. High schooler for the matter either. Major leaguers though can crush fastballs all day if they know they are coming, lay off a split fingered sinker that's going to fall out of the strike zone, and be ready for a curve. It's why batter who are exceptionally good at guessing do a lot better. This is cheating at its worst. In basketball a team can know the other team's plays and mostly the better team wins anyway. In football, if you know plays, it can have a dramatic effect on the outcome. Baseball also.

www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-feb-04-sp-20895-story.html


Agreed Beast.

This couldn't be a bigger cheating scandal. Yes, teams have alway tried to steal signs or determine if someone is tipping pitches. That's part of the game, and if the batter can pick that up in the box and put it to use because a pitcher holds his glove at a different angle when he throws a certain pitch, more power to him. If a runner at 2nd wants to try to let a batter know what pitch was called...go for it. The pitcher has remedies for that, including throwing at the batters head.

Monte, what the Astros did was use technology to decipher the signals in real time and then convey that information to the batter in real time so he could act on that pitch accordingly. That's the MLB equivalent of the NFL home team having an open mic between their coaches and QB the whole game and the opposing team having no radio communications at all.

If that's going to be acceptable, then why bother playing?
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