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Mullin 4 months 1 week ago #279832

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I thought if I started this thread maybe we could not talk about the coach in every other thread. Seems worth a shot.

I'm more bottom line oriented with this stuff. Part of it is I don't know what I don't know. I don't know who recruits, except what Matt does because he has his own public relations department at the NY Post. And I can see some things during games, including how much St. Jean is relied on.

When it comes to the coaching end, personally I was impressed this year. Maybe Mullin had nothing to do with it, maybe it was all GSJ, but I thought the coaches got the most out of the roster.

Recruiting and retention is what keeps alarming me. From far away there doesn't appear to be a strategy. And to be clear since I already took a shot at Matt above, I don't expect him to be responsible for that, it is Mullins responsibility.

Having a coach that only recruits is odd to me and I can see how that can lead to the opposite issue, coaches who do not want to recruit. The staff design seems off and once again it's Mullins staff. Red flag for sure.

But overall I'm not in pitchfork mode. I don't like 9th place but it was year three. I know its pithy to quote Parcells "You are what your record says you are" but I thought this years team was better than last year. I saw improvement, especially on defense.

I have not seen enough to quantify whether Mullin will or will not work out. If we are playing on Wednesday night again in the BE tournament again next year a negative opinion from me will solidify. Not yet.

This is not a criticism of those already killing him. I surely have no concrete evidence he will succeed and I have already mentioned how I gave up on Roberts the day he was hired. So I get it, and you might very well be right.

If people need to vent this is certainly a proper place. Not hijacking every thread would be welcome, it's not difficult to open them.

A suggestion.
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Should just make a thread called COACH. This way when Mullin does leave people can just go on there to continuously trash Will Brown or whoever.
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I think Mullin was the greatest to play in the Big East and will soon win from his seat on the bench rendering 72 with not too much to post
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As a group, we have been clamoring for continuity on the roster. I believe that can only come with some continuity on the coaching staff. I am tired of changing coaches every 5 years. Recruits don't want to come to a school if they don't know who they will be playing for by the end of their college career. Do I think Mullin is perfect, no, but he may be perfect for us because he loves the program. He is learning on the job what other head coaches learned by working their way up through the ranks, so it may take a little longer than we would like. If the administration and fans do not want to support Mullin, then who will they support? I am all in on Mullin and hope he will improve his coaching, and his staff but he is my ride or die and if he wants to stay and do the job for 20 years I will be happy, and think the program will be better for it.
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IDRAFT, I like your suggestion, as it is beyond tiresome to read the constant Mullin/Lavin bashing and/or deifying on every thread. Unfortunately, I suspect it will be honored in the breach.

Like you, I saw progress on the preparation and in game coaching this year, but continue to believe our recruiting approach needs to change and perhaps staff makeup tweaked. I am also a Mullin supporter as (i) school needs continuity in staff, (ii) it is clear to me Chris really wants to turn things around (iii) there were signs of improvement this year including staff's ability to keep team believing despite lots of adversity/distractions and (iv) nothing would make NYC a college basketball town quicker than a winning program coached by the school's greatest player of all time. Hoping that a month or so from now , we have next year's squad in place and primed for a winning year. As Chicago Days would say "Let's go Johnnies!"
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Anthony Mattia wrote: As a group, we have been clamoring for continuity on the roster. I believe that can only come with some continuity on the coaching staff. I am tired of changing coaches every 5 years. Recruits don't want to come to a school if they don't know who they will be playing for by the end of their college career. Do I think Mullin is perfect, no, but he may be perfect for us because he loves the program. He is learning on the job what other head coaches learned by working their way up through the ranks, so it may take a little longer than we would like. If the administration and fans do not want to support Mullin, then who will they support? I am all in on Mullin and hope he will improve his coaching, and his staff but he is my ride or die and if he wants to stay and do the job for 20 years I will be happy, and think the program will be better for it.


Year 4 has just begun - "we've only just begun" (Karen Carpenter died much too early 1950-1983)
April2015- April 2018
I am also riding on Chris Mullin
difficult at this stage not to rehash facts, opinions and points of view
But I consider these factors:
1.ChrisMullin has been a winner and returned to his alma mater to WIN!
2.He inherited NOTHING in 2015
3.We have improved from year to year albeit not quantum leaps that some posters clamor for
4.Patience is a definite virtue and difficult for some to cultivate - one day (hopefully) we will sing that the "Time has Come Today" (Chambers Brothers I believe)
5.And the bottom line - who would replace him???
Talk, complaining and criticism is cheap; solutions and prudent encouragement take effort and true grit.

I trust CM's basketball knowledge and expertise and can only further trust that behind closed doors he more than realizes what SJU needs such as better staff and better recruiting.

We shall see but if and when we reach 20 Ws and make an NCAA appearance well then, because of the decades of disappointment, how sweet it will be.
all the best
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Mullin 4 months 1 week ago #279915

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Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:

Anthony Mattia wrote: As a group, we have been clamoring for continuity on the roster. I believe that can only come with some continuity on the coaching staff. I am tired of changing coaches every 5 years. Recruits don't want to come to a school if they don't know who they will be playing for by the end of their college career. Do I think Mullin is perfect, no, but he may be perfect for us because he loves the program. He is learning on the job what other head coaches learned by working their way up through the ranks, so it may take a little longer than we would like. If the administration and fans do not want to support Mullin, then who will they support? I am all in on Mullin and hope he will improve his coaching, and his staff but he is my ride or die and if he wants to stay and do the job for 20 years I will be happy, and think the program will be better for it.


Year 4 has just begun - "we've only just begun" (Karen Carpenter died much too early 1950-1983)
April2015- April 2018
I am also riding on Chris Mullin
difficult at this stage not to rehash facts, opinions and points of view
But I consider these factors:
1.ChrisMullin has been a winner and returned to his alma mater to WIN!
2.He inherited NOTHING in 2015
3.We have improved from year to year albeit not quantum leaps that some posters clamor for
4.Patience is a definite virtue and difficult for some to cultivate - one day (hopefully) we will sing that the "Time has Come Today" (Chambers Brothers I believe)
5.And the bottom line - who would replace him???
Talk, complaining and criticism is cheap; solutions and prudent encouragement take effort and true grit.

I trust CM's basketball knowledge and expertise and can only further trust that behind closed doors he more than realizes what SJU needs such as better staff and better recruiting.

We shall see but if and when we reach 20 Ws and make an NCAA appearance well then, because of the decades of disappointment, how sweet it will be.
all the best[/quote

Well said, I wish I had your patience.

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Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:

Anthony Mattia wrote: As a group, we have been clamoring for continuity on the roster. I believe that can only come with some continuity on the coaching staff. I am tired of changing coaches every 5 years. Recruits don't want to come to a school if they don't know who they will be playing for by the end of their college career. Do I think Mullin is perfect, no, but he may be perfect for us because he loves the program. He is learning on the job what other head coaches learned by working their way up through the ranks, so it may take a little longer than we would like. If the administration and fans do not want to support Mullin, then who will they support? I am all in on Mullin and hope he will improve his coaching, and his staff but he is my ride or die and if he wants to stay and do the job for 20 years I will be happy, and think the program will be better for it.


Year 4 has just begun - "we've only just begun" (Karen Carpenter died much too early 1950-1983)
April2015- April 2018
I am also riding on Chris Mullin
difficult at this stage not to rehash facts, opinions and points of view
But I consider these factors:
1.ChrisMullin has been a winner and returned to his alma mater to WIN!
2.He inherited NOTHING in 2015
3.We have improved from year to year albeit not quantum leaps that some posters clamor for
4.Patience is a definite virtue and difficult for some to cultivate - one day (hopefully) we will sing that the "Time has Come Today" (Chambers Brothers I believe)
5.And the bottom line - who would replace him???
Talk, complaining and criticism is cheap; solutions and prudent encouragement take effort and true grit.

I trust CM's basketball knowledge and expertise and can only further trust that behind closed doors he more than realizes what SJU needs such as better staff and better recruiting.

We shall see but if and when we reach 20 Ws and make an NCAA appearance well then, because of the decades of disappointment, how sweet it will be.
all the best


1.ChrisMullin has been a winner and returned to his alma mater to WIN! -
I loved watching him play, I grew up watching up, and my eyes lit up everytime he'd shoot. He was the greatest and he gave us so many great seasons/game. I thank him for that, I hope things thing turn for the better real soon.
2.He inherited NOTHING in 2015 -
You vcan't use that excuse in year 10, it starts getting old.

3.We have improved from year to year albeit not quantum leaps that some posters clamor for -
How did we improve record-wise from year 2, no NCAA tourny or NIT. That's not improving to me.
4.Patience is a definite virtue and difficult for some to cultivate - one day (hopefully) we will sing that the "Time has Come Today" (Chambers Brothers I believe)
5.And the bottom line - who would replace him???
Maybe someone who understands that you need atleast 2 guys that can recruit, not just one. A guy that if he can't coach, will hire an experienced coach to help him, without Mullin's ego
Talk, complaining and criticism is cheap; solutions and prudent encouragement take effort and true grit.

Yeah Mullin could get SJU real good again, but he'll in my opinion will need 2 things.
An experienced coach and and recruiter. Matt way with 2/3 sit out transfers a year, after losing 2/3 transfers a year will no way happen.

So yeah I'm pissed. Not one single NCAA win since 01. With Mullin I figured that we're finally getting a coach that finally gave a crap about this school. Said all the right things at the presser.

Well why do only have one guys recruiting, wtf is Mullin? What happened to him going through the back doors of schools to see nyc top recruits? Tell me where is that? Maybe he doesn't care either, if he did wouldn't he be going all out???

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OLV72 wrote: I think Mullin was the greatest to play in the Big East and will soon win from his seat on the bench rendering 72 with not too much to post


If you think 72 is alone then you must be the type of guy that feels very lonely in Times Square.
That said, this is a great thread idea and guys like you and SlyFox can be master debaters here.
As for not too much to post, I post on a wide variety of topics unlike some whose only mission is to blame Steve Lavin for everything wrong with the program even if those wrongs preceded Lavin by 16 years.

One thing is obvious and that is that Mullin needs to make a change in the staff structure. Real fans want to see him succeed because we want the team to succeed. None of us would be here if we looked for Mullin to crash and burn. This is a good place for coach stubbornness to see what fans think of the job he is doing. His most ardent and loyal supporters know and want him to reorganize his reporting lines. I am not sold on Matt being the head recruiter.

When asked about Mullin and making a change, his most loyal supporter, the Maven, stated on Twitter:

"I'd luv 2 c that. A seasoned coach who also can recruit. It would be an incredible asset to #coachchrismullin, not a liability, a mole, that one on #sjubb staff is. Chris & #MikeRice can get it done but @StJohnsBBall better move fast as other schools are also looking at him!

 #coachchrismullin is his own man & not my place to tell him the obvious."

What some see as criticism of coach Mullin is actually critical "advice" by fans. Mully can take it or leave it. He is a big boy with a big fat paycheck. He doesn't need anyone here to defend him.

At St. John's nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

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At St. John's nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

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Whether Chris Mullin succeeds or not will depend on the high school recruits he can sign. The rationale for signing someone who never coached at any level, if there was a rationale, had to be that his Dream Team and HOF credentials could even the recruiting playing field. So far, it has not. Whatever worked in the past, including the AAU connections and the stipend, is history. Every coach since Looie has failed. Not one is a head coach today. except for Mullin. Not a good sign.

Most local 4 and 5 star players want out of here. One thing this year's tourney showed us is that there is a ton of talent all over the country. Mullin needs to find them and sign them. I have no idea if he, like some suggest, is a lazy recruiter. All I know is that Mullin has to be the same gym rat he was famous for years ago, with this version of the gym rat all over the high schools searching for talent, as he promised when he signed on 3 seasons ago.
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