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redken wrote: As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could


I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."

When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.


Rupp did do immeasurable service in Kentucky if you really read all the revised history by UK supporters. Much of the revisionist bullshit is to justify the great Kentucky basketball tradition and the continued use of his name in their sacred temple to him. The man in the brown suit ate, slept and shit Kentucky basketball but his immeasurable service was to the white Kentuckians to whom he was a deity. Jim Calhoun's record speaks for itself because he did what we didn't and that was win the Big games in the Big show but he was not a warm and fuzzy guy and back then I knew Uconn people that knew him well. Charity work aside he was a dick.

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redken wrote: As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could


I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."

When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.


Rupp did do immeasurable service in Kentucky if you really read all the revised history by UK supporters. Much of the revisionist bullshit is to justify the great Kentucky basketball tradition and the continued use of his name in their sacred temple to him. The man in the brown suit ate, slept and shit Kentucky basketball but his immeasurable service was to the white Kentuckians to whom he was a deity. Jim Calhoun's record speaks for itself because he did what we didn't and that was win the Big games in the Big show but he was not a warm and fuzzy guy and back then I knew Uconn people that knew him well. Charity work aside he was a dick.

72, Calhoun may have been "a dick" and "not a warm and fuzzy guy," and no doubt sleazy when it came to recruiting, but I trust you're not equating him, or are close to equating him, to the proudly blatant racist and horrible Adolph (aptly named?) Rupp, right?

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redken wrote: Calhoun may have been "a dick" and "not a warm and fuzzy guy," and no doubt sleazy when it came to recruiting, but I trust you're not equating him, or are close to equating him, to the proudly blatant racist and horrible Adolph (aptly named?) Rupp, right?


"(Jim and Mrs Calhoun] ... established the Calhoun Cardiology Research Fund with a $125,000 gift to the UConn Health Center. In 2004, the entire program was renamed the Jim and Pat Calhoun Cardiology Center. The couple [...] have helped to raise $6 million over the last 10 years through the Jim Calhoun Celebrity Classic Golf Tournament ...

Coach Calhoun was the driving force behind the Cancer Challenge Ride, a statewide event that started in 2007 and benefits the Carole and Ray Neag Comprehensive Cancer Center at the UConn Health Center. The ride raised over $225,000 in its first year.

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Coach Calhoun [served] as honorary chairman for the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation, which has raised over $4.5 million to fund diabetes research.

The annual Jim Calhoun Holiday Food Drive has raised nearly $1 million for the Connecticut Food Bank and Foodshare, providing about 1.6 million meals to families in need.

In other philanthropic causes, Coach Calhoun has also served as an honorary chairperson/director for charitable programs, including the Ronald McDonald House Kids Classic Golf Tournament, the Ray of Hope Foundation Golf Tournament, the Connecticut Children’s Medical Center and Children’s Miracle Network, and the "Character Counts" program in the state of Connecticut."

Poster alleges Calhoun "was a dick."

According to that same poster Adolph Rupp, "a virulent racist" who "hated black people," was "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community."

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redken wrote: As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could


I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."

When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.


Rupp did do immeasurable service in Kentucky if you really read all the revised history by UK supporters. Much of the revisionist bullshit is to justify the great Kentucky basketball tradition and the continued use of his name in their sacred temple to him. The man in the brown suit ate, slept and shit Kentucky basketball but his immeasurable service was to the white Kentuckians to whom he was a deity. Jim Calhoun's record speaks for itself because he did what we didn't and that was win the Big games in the Big show but he was not a warm and fuzzy guy and back then I knew Uconn people that knew him well. Charity work aside he was a dick.


72, Calhoun may have been "a dick" and "not a warm and fuzzy guy," and no doubt sleazy when it came to recruiting, but I trust you're not equating him, or are close to equating him, to the proudly blatant racist and horrible Adolph (aptly named?) Rupp, right?


What I am trying to say is that we should be careful not to chastise another poster about their opinion of a public figure such as Jim Calhoun by presenting Wiki stats as some validation for him being a "good" person and a "devout Catholic" because winning basketball games and donating to charities (a write-off for millionaires) does not make them either honorable or better than, say a poor schlep, like Lou Carnesecca.
As for Adolph Rupp, modern day Kentucky apologists describe him as a coach whose hands were tied by the SEC and southern state laws that barred blacks from competing on their campuses. They use the fact that Rupp played teams outside his conference that had black players in New York City and other locations. They point to his high school coaching in Illinois where he started a black player. They paint him a victim of the times and culture he lived in.
Regardless, I still considered him a dick, as in not a very nice person, because many that actually experienced playing against him or had interactions with him, thought he was a dick.
As for Jim Calhoun, let's just say that I have a more personal experience in disliking him, even though it was a meeting from over 15 years ago, that tainted my opinion that has nothing to do with Doug Wiggins or anything else at the time.
In coaching circles even the UCONN women's coach is viewed by many as a dislikable person but he is still the greatest women's basketball coach of all time. I happened to like him for very personal reasons.
There are many others I consider "dicks" regardless of their success or philanthropy. Needless to say many are politicians and actors. They include Arnold Schwarzenegger an ignoramus, a politician and an actor; Donald Trump, who has given millions to many causes but is a sleaze nontheless. No offense to the many lawyers here but they hold a special place of disdain from the many unscrupulous ones that I have met I my lifetime. That most politicians are lawyers explains why American politics is so fckd up.:P
Hope this clarifies my comparison of two coaching legends.

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D1 Coaching Changes 5 months 2 days ago #276539

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Class of 72 wrote:

redken wrote:

Class of 72 wrote:

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redken wrote: As possibly the most popular and influential man in Kentucky in the early and mid-1960s, Rupp could've easily been a ground-breaker for the good. Instead he clung to his racist beliefs for as long as he could


I agree. I would not describe Rupp - who according to the venerable Frank Deford was "a virulent racist" who "hated black people" - as a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." On the contrary - and you'd think you wouldn't have to say this is the 21st century but evidently you do to certain ignorant St John's fans - racists are bad people who do immeasurable harm to the community. And in fact Rupp only recruited African American athletes because UK president John Oswald ordered him to. In Rupp's words, according to his long time assistant coach Harry Lancaster: "that son of a bitch is ordering me to get some n*gg*rs in here. What am I going to do ? He's the boss."

When several of Rupp's players were implicated in a point shaving scandal - the scandal that eventually led to the assassination of Jack Molinas by the mafia in Las Vegas - Rupp was described by the presiding judge as having failed "in his duty to observe the amateur rules, to build character, and to protect the morals and health of his charges". Again I agree: Rupp was not a "good person" who "did immeasurable service to the community." And quite the opposite.


Rupp did do immeasurable service in Kentucky if you really read all the revised history by UK supporters. Much of the revisionist bullshit is to justify the great Kentucky basketball tradition and the continued use of his name in their sacred temple to him. The man in the brown suit ate, slept and shit Kentucky basketball but his immeasurable service was to the white Kentuckians to whom he was a deity. Jim Calhoun's record speaks for itself because he did what we didn't and that was win the Big games in the Big show but he was not a warm and fuzzy guy and back then I knew Uconn people that knew him well. Charity work aside he was a dick.


72, Calhoun may have been "a dick" and "not a warm and fuzzy guy," and no doubt sleazy when it came to recruiting, but I trust you're not equating him, or are close to equating him, to the proudly blatant racist and horrible Adolph (aptly named?) Rupp, right?


What I am trying to say is that we should be careful not to chastise another poster about their opinion of a public figure such as Jim Calhoun by presenting Wiki stats as some validation for him being a "good" person and a "devout Catholic" because winning basketball games and donating to charities (a write-off for millionaires) does not make them either honorable or better than, say a poor schlep, like Lou Carnesecca.
As for Adolph Rupp, modern day Kentucky apologists describe him as a coach whose hands were tied by the SEC and southern state laws that barred blacks from competing on their campuses. They use the fact that Rupp played teams outside his conference that had black players in New York City and other locations. They point to his high school coaching in Illinois where he started a black player. They paint him a victim of the times and culture he lived in.
Regardless, I still considered him a dick, as in not a very nice person, because many that actually experienced playing against him or had interactions with him, thought he was a dick.
As for Jim Calhoun, let's just say that I have a more personal experience in disliking him, even though it was a meeting from over 15 years ago, that tainted my opinion that has nothing to do with Doug Wiggins or anything else at the time.
In coaching circles even the UCONN women's coach is viewed by many as a dislikable person but he is still the greatest women's basketball coach of all time. I happened to like him for very personal reasons.
There are many others I consider "dicks" regardless of their success or philanthropy. Needless to say many are politicians and actors. They include Arnold Schwarzenegger an ignoramus, a politician and an actor; Donald Trump, who has given millions to many causes but is a sleaze nontheless. No offense to the many lawyers here but they hold a special place of disdain from the many unscrupulous ones that I have met I my lifetime. That most politicians are lawyers explains why American politics is so fckd up.:P
Hope this clarifies my comparison of two coaching legends.


Calhoun is a gruff, highly competitive individual but many (most?) people who know him comment on his wicked sense of humor and giving nature. I also know first hand that his former players love him.

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Not to defend Rupp but he was no different than ninety five per cent of the population in the south in their race relations. Legend has it he decided to recruit blacks after seeing David Thompson play in high school. He was really no different than the other SEC football and basketball coaches who brought in the black ball players when they realized they needed them to compete with teams from other parts of the country.
His team of the late forties, considered one of the greatest teams of all times was caught in the 1951 point shaving scandal. The team was so good they formed a pro team upon graduating and made the NBA playoffs their first year. Alex Groza made first team all NBA and Ralph Beard made second team prior to their arrests and ban.
Ralph Beard's defense was that Ky boosters were always putting twenty dollar bills in his hands and the gamblers initially were paying him to win by more than the point spread. It took a while for them to tell him to win by less than the point spread and then he couldn't break away. In the NIT of 1949 the four Ky players in their attempt to win by less than the point spread they blew the game or they probably would have won both the NIT and NCAA that year.
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Danny Hurley to UConn? I don’t see anything official but they are discussing in on The Boneyard.

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gman wrote: Danny Hurley to UConn? I don’t see anything official but they are discussing in on The Boneyard.


Would be a bad career move for Danny.
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gman wrote: Danny Hurley to UConn? I don’t see anything official but they are discussing in on The Boneyard.


Don't think they'd announce anything until after his team is knocked out of the tourney.
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Hurley should use them to get a better job elsewhere.
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