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(MSG) Seton Hall, Sat. Feb. 24, 12 NOON, FOX/570AM 5 months 3 weeks ago #273760

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I wouldn't suggest anyone get excited about the big boys paying a steep price. I predict the behavior will be declared "widespread" and some sort off amnesty will be granted.

Bottom line.....whatever Coach K can be found guilty of will be forgiven across the board.
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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 5 months 3 weeks ago #273762

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I agree JohnnyFan. After the North Carolina travesty, it is clear that the NCAA will do whatever provides the greatest financial benefit to the NCAA. The athletes should get paid for their effort, not the NCAA. Dissolve the NCAA and start over with a new organization. If the big programs want to play in their own league with paid athletes, go for it.
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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 5 months 3 weeks ago #273780

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Still don’t like the idea of paying kids. I think:
1) no minimum one year college requirement.
2) NBA should expand and pump money in to and the D league, and use it as a minor league in the same way MLB does. Let kids have the option of developing their game as professionals or in college
3) if kid commits to go to college, his compensation is his tuition, room and board, etc and a stipend for living expenses(since a part time job isn’t practical)
4) Minimum 2 or 3 year stay in college before kid is eligible for NBA or D league

I don’t personally care if the top 50-100 kids coming out of high school each year never play college ball. The product will still be great.
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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 5 months 3 weeks ago #273783

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Good thoughts Monte.
In fact, I think the baseball model a great template to follow, or at least explore. The top kids opting to play pro ball from HS—say the first 5-6 rounds—get great to ‘okay’ bonus $$$’s, but the road to the Show comprises 3-5+ years in the minors, riding buses, and living on miserly stipends.
This prevails for the vast majority of HS kids jumping to pro baseball— including many highly-touted HS kids, picked in the first 1-3 rounds.
College is the better way to aim for the pros. Your ‘game’ is refined and improved, you mature and grow stronger, you’re on scholarship, and after 3 years—you can reap much bigger $$$$-bonuses than most HS kids get—and typically have a shorter timeline of 1-3 years to the Show.
I’m ignorant of ‘how’ this would get done. Guessing it obviously starts with the NBA and Major Colleges via the NCAA or a successor org structuring a better system.
This one stinks.
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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 5 months 3 weeks ago #273785

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Chicago Days wrote: Good thoughts Monte.
In fact, I think the baseball model a great template to follow, or at least explore. The top kids opting to play pro ball from HS—say the first 5-6 rounds—get great to ‘okay’ bonus $$$’s, but the road to the Show comprises 3-5+ years in the minors, riding buses, and living on miserly stipends.
This prevails for the vast majority of HS kids jumping to pro baseball— including many highly-touted HS kids, picked in the first 1-3 rounds.
College is the better way to aim for the pros. Your ‘game’ is refined and improved, you mature and grow stronger, you’re on scholarship, and after 3 years—you can reap much bigger $$$$-bonuses than most HS kids get—and typically have a shorter timeline of 1-3 years to the Show.
I’m ignorant of ‘how’ this would get done. Guessing it obviously starts with the NBA and Major Colleges via the NCAA or a successor org structuring a better system.
This one stinks.


Agree completely CD, and also not sure about particulars. Just think that the whole concept of “student-athlete” has become a farce. If a kid wants an eduction then great, but if a kid has no interest in being in school then he shouldn’t be forced to have to go because of lack of options for honing his skills. College should not serve as the minor leagues for the NBA. The entire system is broken(and corrupt as all hell!!!) as you say. It doesn’t need some tweaking, it needs a complete overhaul.
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(MSG) Seton Hall, Sat. Feb. 24, 12 NOON, FOX/570AM 5 months 3 weeks ago #273788

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I think that attitude is wrong and it is something prevalent in our society today. If you violate the regulations you should be punished for it. You should not be rewarded by saying all is forgiven, let me slap your hand. And oh yes let's change the rules so it fits what you want to do. So we teach people it is okay to violate the rules because there are no real repercussions. In fact, you get rewarded.
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(MSG) Seton Hall, Sat. Feb. 24, 12 NOON, FOX/570AM 5 months 3 weeks ago #273789

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If the NCAA does what is right and nullifies wins and removes championships, it could be the best thing for St Johns. The last 10 years and counting while all the so called top schools were winning and we were no where to be found, they won as cheats. They paid the so called students to play. We played a clean honest game and lost. We couldnt recruit because we didnt pay. When I first went to St Johns in the 60's we were the number 3 team in wins all time, we have fallen to number 9 now and a lot has to do with the way our program has been run but a lot also has to do with the other schools cheating and therefore eliminating any chance for us to recruit. I say let the chips fall where they may even if it means tarnishing the legends of some of these coaches. They should be tarnished for the way they "played" the recruiting game
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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 5 months 3 weeks ago #273810

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Paul Massell wrote: saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for no reason.

Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.


I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.
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(MSG) Seton Hall, Sat. Feb. 24, 12 NOON, FOX/570AM 5 months 3 weeks ago #273815

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dee wrote: If the NCAA does what is right and nullifies wins and removes championships, it could be the best thing for St Johns. The last 10 years and counting while all the so called top schools were winning and we were no where to be found, they won as cheats. They paid the so called students to play. We played a clean honest game and lost. We couldnt recruit because we didnt pay. When I first went to St Johns in the 60's we were the number 3 team in wins all time, we have fallen to number 9 now and a lot has to do with the way our program has been run but a lot also has to do with the other schools cheating and therefore eliminating any chance for us to recruit. I say let the chips fall where they may even if it means tarnishing the legends of some of these coaches. They should be tarnished for the way they "played" the recruiting game


Gotta remember the "Dirty" Jarvis Era when we forfeited a lot of games.

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(MSG) Seton Hall, Sat. Feb. 24, 12 NOON, FOX/570AM 5 months 3 weeks ago #273848

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What a shocker that LSU is getting investigated by both the NCAA and FBI. Anyone with a clue would tell you things have been dirty there for a while.

sports.yahoo.com/sources-lsus-will-wade-...ctics-011522122.html

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