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NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs 4 months 2 weeks ago #274463

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frank61 wrote: If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.

IMO starting a new organization is exactly what the Super 5 conferences hope to do in the long run. Problem is, their goal is to dominate the college $port$ market, have complete autonomy in dealing with "student-athletes" and other issues however they wish to, and have zero interest in including other conferences, to the point of trying to crush them if necessary (see Coach K's comments the last time the ACC raided Big East basketball).


You can take that out of the opinion column, you state fact; anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.


Logen, I added the "IMO" at the last moment, trying not to sound like I had inside information. But you're right, it's plain to see that if and when it happens the entire collegiate sports landscape will be changed dramatically and possibly irreparably, especially for conferences like the Big East. The idea of participating in a non-Super-5 NCAA tournament would almost certainly put an end to signing Top 100 talent.


I hear you Redken, but doesn’t CBS have contract with the NCAA through 2022 to televise the NCAA Tournament for a ton of money? I would think that contract would keep things the way they are at least until that contract runs out.


There are contractual obligations, but I did write "in the long run" ... and think about it: 2022 is only four years down the line. As for TV existing contracts beyond 2022, money talks and the Super 5 have tons of it for buy-outs, re-negotiations, and whatever else stands in their way. And don't think for a moment that the major net\works wouldn't be jumping all over them.

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redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Logen wrote:

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frank61 wrote: If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.

IMO starting a new organization is exactly what the Super 5 conferences hope to do in the long run. Problem is, their goal is to dominate the college $port$ market, have complete autonomy in dealing with "student-athletes" and other issues however they wish to, and have zero interest in including other conferences, to the point of trying to crush them if necessary (see Coach K's comments the last time the ACC raided Big East basketball).


You can take that out of the opinion column, you state fact; anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.


Logen, I added the "IMO" at the last moment, trying not to sound like I had inside information. But you're right, it's plain to see that if and when it happens the entire collegiate sports landscape will be changed dramatically and possibly irreparably, especially for conferences like the Big East. The idea of participating in a non-Super-5 NCAA tournament would almost certainly put an end to signing Top 100 talent.


I hear you Redken, but doesn’t CBS have contract with the NCAA through 2022 to televise the NCAA Tournament for a ton of money? I would think that contract would keep things the way they are at least until that contract runs out.


There are contractual obligations, but I did write "in the long run" ... and think about it: 2022 is only four years down the line. As for TV existing contracts beyond 2022, money talks and the Super 5 have tons of it for buy-outs, re-negotiations, and whatever else stands in their way. And don't think for a moment that the major net\works wouldn't be jumping all over them.


The contract was extended to 2032 another 8 years at 1.1 billion per year. I understand what your saying but that's a lot of money to walk away from and any buyout would also be enormous when dealing with those numbers. FOX would get involved and they have basically unlimited funds also and they would want the Big East involved basketball wise. With the Big East you're also dealing with major TV markets in New York, Philly, DC and Chicago. Especially if St. John's , Georgetown and DePaul get good again. That's why it is so important to the Big East to have those schools step it up right now.

I also think that part of the lure of the NCAA Tournament is the small to midsize schools that play in the tournament and the whole underdog aspect that those schools take on. Having those schools is what drives up viewership so that everyone is watching. Even someone who is not really a sports fan will watch and root for their school. If you take that away, the entire tournament loses a certain appeal that is has that draws viewership to it from the everyday person. But, I understand, if the answer to the question doesn't concern money them rephrase the question because everything is about money. That's why in the Big East we need our largest market teams to be really good and we need FOX on our side. We'll see how it plays out. All the best.
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Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Logen wrote:

redken wrote:

frank61 wrote: If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.

IMO starting a new organization is exactly what the Super 5 conferences hope to do in the long run. Problem is, their goal is to dominate the college $port$ market, have complete autonomy in dealing with "student-athletes" and other issues however they wish to, and have zero interest in including other conferences, to the point of trying to crush them if necessary (see Coach K's comments the last time the ACC raided Big East basketball).


You can take that out of the opinion column, you state fact; anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.


Logen, I added the "IMO" at the last moment, trying not to sound like I had inside information. But you're right, it's plain to see that if and when it happens the entire collegiate sports landscape will be changed dramatically and possibly irreparably, especially for conferences like the Big East. The idea of participating in a non-Super-5 NCAA tournament would almost certainly put an end to signing Top 100 talent.


I hear you Redken, but doesn’t CBS have contract with the NCAA through 2022 to televise the NCAA Tournament for a ton of money? I would think that contract would keep things the way they are at least until that contract runs out.


There are contractual obligations, but I did write "in the long run" ... and think about it: 2022 is only four years down the line. As for TV existing contracts beyond 2022, money talks and the Super 5 have tons of it for buy-outs, re-negotiations, and whatever else stands in their way. And don't think for a moment that the major net\works wouldn't be jumping all over them.


The contract was extended to 2032 another 8 years at 1.1 billion per year. I understand what your saying but that's a lot of money to walk away from and any buyout would also be enormous when dealing with those numbers. FOX would get involved and they have basically unlimited funds also and they would want the Big East involved basketball wise. With the Big East you're also dealing with major TV markets in New York, Philly, DC and Chicago. Especially if St. John's , Georgetown and DePaul get good again. That's why it is so important to the Big East to have those schools step it up right now.

I also think that part of the lure of the NCAA Tournament is the small to midsize schools that play in the tournament and the whole underdog aspect that those schools take on. Having those schools is what drives up viewership so that everyone is watching. Even someone who is not really a sports fan will watch and root for their school. If you take that away, the entire tournament loses a certain appeal that is has that draws viewership to it from the everyday person. But, I understand, if the answer to the question doesn't concern money them rephrase the question because everything is about money. That's why in the Big East we need our largest market teams to be really good and we need FOX on our side. We'll see how it plays out. All the best.


2032. Well, I guess I don't have to worry about the future of college basketball; I'll either be long gone or totally out of it by then.

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redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Logen wrote:

redken wrote:

frank61 wrote: If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.

IMO starting a new organization is exactly what the Super 5 conferences hope to do in the long run. Problem is, their goal is to dominate the college $port$ market, have complete autonomy in dealing with "student-athletes" and other issues however they wish to, and have zero interest in including other conferences, to the point of trying to crush them if necessary (see Coach K's comments the last time the ACC raided Big East basketball).


You can take that out of the opinion column, you state fact; anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.


Logen, I added the "IMO" at the last moment, trying not to sound like I had inside information. But you're right, it's plain to see that if and when it happens the entire collegiate sports landscape will be changed dramatically and possibly irreparably, especially for conferences like the Big East. The idea of participating in a non-Super-5 NCAA tournament would almost certainly put an end to signing Top 100 talent.


I hear you Redken, but doesn’t CBS have contract with the NCAA through 2022 to televise the NCAA Tournament for a ton of money? I would think that contract would keep things the way they are at least until that contract runs out.


There are contractual obligations, but I did write "in the long run" ... and think about it: 2022 is only four years down the line. As for TV existing contracts beyond 2022, money talks and the Super 5 have tons of it for buy-outs, re-negotiations, and whatever else stands in their way. And don't think for a moment that the major net\works wouldn't be jumping all over them.


The contract was extended to 2032 another 8 years at 1.1 billion per year. I understand what your saying but that's a lot of money to walk away from and any buyout would also be enormous when dealing with those numbers. FOX would get involved and they have basically unlimited funds also and they would want the Big East involved basketball wise. With the Big East you're also dealing with major TV markets in New York, Philly, DC and Chicago. Especially if St. John's , Georgetown and DePaul get good again. That's why it is so important to the Big East to have those schools step it up right now.

I also think that part of the lure of the NCAA Tournament is the small to midsize schools that play in the tournament and the whole underdog aspect that those schools take on. Having those schools is what drives up viewership so that everyone is watching. Even someone who is not really a sports fan will watch and root for their school. If you take that away, the entire tournament loses a certain appeal that is has that draws viewership to it from the everyday person. But, I understand, if the answer to the question doesn't concern money them rephrase the question because everything is about money. That's why in the Big East we need our largest market teams to be really good and we need FOX on our side. We'll see how it plays out. All the best.


2032. Well, I guess I don't have to worry about the future of college basketball; I'll either be long gone or totally out of it by then.


Red, I think you will still be wearing red and loving the game of basketball no matter what age you will be.
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Class of 72 wrote:

redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Mean Gene wrote:

redken wrote:

Logen wrote:

redken wrote:

frank61 wrote: If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.

IMO starting a new organization is exactly what the Super 5 conferences hope to do in the long run. Problem is, their goal is to dominate the college $port$ market, have complete autonomy in dealing with "student-athletes" and other issues however they wish to, and have zero interest in including other conferences, to the point of trying to crush them if necessary (see Coach K's comments the last time the ACC raided Big East basketball).


You can take that out of the opinion column, you state fact; anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.


Logen, I added the "IMO" at the last moment, trying not to sound like I had inside information. But you're right, it's plain to see that if and when it happens the entire collegiate sports landscape will be changed dramatically and possibly irreparably, especially for conferences like the Big East. The idea of participating in a non-Super-5 NCAA tournament would almost certainly put an end to signing Top 100 talent.


I hear you Redken, but doesn’t CBS have contract with the NCAA through 2022 to televise the NCAA Tournament for a ton of money? I would think that contract would keep things the way they are at least until that contract runs out.


There are contractual obligations, but I did write "in the long run" ... and think about it: 2022 is only four years down the line. As for TV existing contracts beyond 2022, money talks and the Super 5 have tons of it for buy-outs, re-negotiations, and whatever else stands in their way. And don't think for a moment that the major net\works wouldn't be jumping all over them.


The contract was extended to 2032 another 8 years at 1.1 billion per year. I understand what your saying but that's a lot of money to walk away from and any buyout would also be enormous when dealing with those numbers. FOX would get involved and they have basically unlimited funds also and they would want the Big East involved basketball wise. With the Big East you're also dealing with major TV markets in New York, Philly, DC and Chicago. Especially if St. John's , Georgetown and DePaul get good again. That's why it is so important to the Big East to have those schools step it up right now.

I also think that part of the lure of the NCAA Tournament is the small to midsize schools that play in the tournament and the whole underdog aspect that those schools take on. Having those schools is what drives up viewership so that everyone is watching. Even someone who is not really a sports fan will watch and root for their school. If you take that away, the entire tournament loses a certain appeal that is has that draws viewership to it from the everyday person. But, I understand, if the answer to the question doesn't concern money them rephrase the question because everything is about money. That's why in the Big East we need our largest market teams to be really good and we need FOX on our side. We'll see how it plays out. All the best.


2032. Well, I guess I don't have to worry about the future of college basketball; I'll either be long gone or totally out of it by then.


Red, I think you will still be wearing red and loving the game of basketball no matter what age you will be.

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Rick Pitino hires agent, tells ESPN he wants to coach again and will turn everything - phone records, emails, voice messages - over to any school that wants to hire him:
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Would think he should coach KY State’s Prison team.

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Paultzman wrote: Per Goodman
Rick Pitino hires agent, tells ESPN he wants to coach again and will turn everything - phone records, emails, voice messages - over to any school that wants to hire him:
Balls of an elephant

I dislike Pitino as much as the next guy. However, look at what has happened. Most of the guys "implicated" have skated free the best I can see. Arizona? Why they will be dancing! Their is no justice... He just might get another job. I can see him saying F-it its all ok. why should I be punished everyone does it and who enforces anything!
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I would take Pitno in a heartbeat. Especially him knowing his way around the Northeast ( recruiting wise).
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