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Well, the announcer, with about 14 minutes left in the second half, said the game was setting back fundamental basketball. I've said this many times, "Don't hire someonethat you can't fire". Mullin, simply put, is a dreadful coach. I recently had a debate with an old well-known Redmen point guard, who told me he likes what he sees, because the team was getting some balance in their scoring. I couldn't disagree more. Here's a short list of issues I think corrupts our ability to win. (1) Mullin's doesn't know what he's doing. He's a great basketball player, but is really poor at assessing what is going on in front of him. His teams continue to make the same mistakes game after game. In his final four year (1985), his mentor, Lou Carnesseca, beat Georgetown heads up for 3 and a half quarters. One GT adjustment, a press and a box and one later, we lost the next three games in "identical fashion with identical tactics". It is obvious that Chris didn't learn much about adaptation and correction from his college yoda. (2) Debatably, the Nebraska game was the best one we played this year. Primary in preparation was the notion that the the Big Ten school was going to "kill us on the boards". We gang rebounded in that game like there was no tomorrow. We got to loose balls and headed off down court. That was the team I thought we would see all year. Instead, we've become the "block the shot" gang. This was the idiotic scenario we used to play with Sima and Yakwe. Lead the Big East in blocks, and place near the bottom in rebounds. Against Georgetown, Owens set a personal best in blocks for the first half, and Georgetown was outrebounding us 32-16.My point?...Blocks look great for the crowd, but the primary intent is to gain possession. There is no substitute for good solid positioning and boxing out on defense. An obsession with blocking...and again for that matter, stealing, compromises solid positioning. Owens twice fouled a GT jump shooter yesterday (once on a three). That was collective loss of 5 points. There has also been a falloff in loose ball intensity. Too many are watching and not hustling. (3) Mullin needs to reign in the NBA threes. There were five of them yesterday, and we missed them all as we usually do. And please explain why it seems like every player has the "green light" to shoot it? We lost several possessions yesterday with long range attempts by Owens (the worst thing that could've happened was that he hit two against Creighton), Alibegovic (you must be kidding!), and Yakwe (ugh..now you're really kidding me). This team's lack of players who fundamentally understand their own limitations goes to the very root of the problem. Alibegovic loves to set a pick and come off it for a three. Teams leave him open. Why do you suppose? The only players shooting the three should be...Ponds (from the college three...not the NBA!), Clark, Trimble, and I hate to say it...Ahmed (he is SO erratic!). (4) In the absence of Lovett, there are only 5 playable big time division one players on this roster....Ponds, Owens, Clark, Simon, and Ahmed. Given the influences of foul trouble and exhaustion, that needs to be your core five. Anyone else playing represents a huge drop off in defensive quality...and when Alibegovic is on the court...it's four on five on offense. Many say we can't play with a core of six, but....we getting killed when substitutions enter the game. As such, getting our primary players back in the game should be a priority. Also, what the hell is wrong with Yakwe? I would love to watch a practice. This guy is probably out there practicing long jump shots. God almighty kid! Take 150 baby hooks a day! Have someone leaning on you when you do it! This is your gravy! Why does it look like you've never taken that shot before, every time I watch you play? What is the coaching staff looking at? (5) Why is Ponds struggling so? What happened to the player I saw before, who had a deft shooting touch and more importantly, court savvy? For the last 4-5 games he's disappeared for the entire first half. In the second half we see almost an urgent need to score, highlighted by forced shots and bad passes...particularly yesterday. We have two dependable scorers....Ponds and Clark...and Mullin needs to find a way to accent that fact with plays that enable good looks for both. It's nice to expect them to score in the flow, but there aren't enough quality scorers to promote that as an offensive plan.This schoolyard, free-lance. "I'll shoot it from anywhere, in any contorted reverse spin I can come up with" really needs to be put in the rear view mirror. Once again, success in basketball is directly proportional to the number of quality open looks you can manufacture for your best shooters. This is in complete contrast to the way St. John's is currently playing basketball. (6) Honoring the ball. For reasons that are hard to fathom, this Mullin team simply doesn't respect their possessions. We are plagued with all manner of foolish turnovers. They are tough to eliminate completely, but this team is currently an insult to basketball IQ. There are dumb, forced and telegraphed passes, bad spacing, football-like hand offs, idiotic charges, illegal picks, walking calls.....you name it! Let's face it freinds...well disciplined teams cut these game killers to a minimum, and you saw St. John's court every one of them up close and personal against Georgetown. (7) Against GT we twice fell asleep on inbounds plays that they converted for points...nothing less than pitiful!
All in all, the product that Mullin is currently putting on the floor is sad. I can't believe that we are paying millions for this level of poor basketball on display. Admittedly, we are better when Lovett plays. Anyone know a good orthropedist?
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Can't disagree with what you wrote, but let's say govan misses his 3 and Ponds made the last shot. Let's say Delgado missed his and we won that game. And say the same thing happened vs. Creighton, or that we played providence the way we did for much of the 1st half. We would be 4-1 and geniuses like you and I would be singing their praises.

Granted, good teams wins these games and bad teams lose them, but crapping on an 0-5 team is just too easy
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Can't disagree with what you wrote, but let's say govan misses his 3 and Ponds made the last shot. Let's say Delgado missed his and we won that game. And say the same thing happened vs. Creighton, or that we played providence the way we did for much of the 1st half. We would be 4-1 and geniuses like you and I would be singing their praises.

Granted, good teams wins these games and bad teams lose them, but crapping on an 0-5 team is just too easy


So, you agree
"Mullin, simply put, is a dreadful coach"
"Mullin doesn't know what he's doing"
"Mullin is really poor at assessing what is going on in front of him. His teams continue to make the same mistakes game after game"
"It is obvious that Chris didn't learn much about adaptation and correction from his college yoda"
"this Mullin team simply doesn't respect their possessions"
"this team is currently an insult to basketball IQ"
"the product that Mullin is currently putting on the floor is sad. I can't believe that we are paying millions for this level of poor basketball on display"

Thank God I'm not as negative or you might agree with what I post.  ;)
Doc's arthritic fingers may be having an effect on his guitar playing and diminishing his expectations for what was a pencil thin roster from midnight madness.:(
Frankly, I think the musicians and barristers here should stick to what they do best and not represent themselves as basketball savants because as much as I wanted any other Irishman than coach Mullin he likely shits more basketball knowledge than all the fans here combined.  What is happening right now is the perfect storm, even a perfect red storm, some of which was not anticipated.  I hope the next time someone suggests hiring a coach Rice the fans learn to forgive his past issues and Mullin acknowledges he needs help.  No matter what happens we will still be in the top 10 in the conference.:p
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Maybe Beast? But I was ready to throw my television out the window long before the final minutes of those games. I turned off DePaul at the end of the first half. Didn't consider it watchable.
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Maybe Beast? But I was ready to throw my television out the window long before the final minutes of those games. I turned off DePaul at the end of the first half. Didn't consider it watchable.
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Ouch 72! Sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black. I admire your loyalty to Coach Mullin...I really do. But this idea that one has to play professionally, to have the knowledge regarding basketball is just ridiculous. There are loads of basketball knowledgeable people around. You choose to ignore their input and ideas simply because they didn't play on the Dream Team?....well that certainly is your right! But I think you are wrong. It's a good thing for Louie, that the people who decided to give him a chance, didn't share your opinion. I think my observations speak for themselves. I don't profess any ironclad insight to truth. I'm simply trying to share my observations in the way that I see them...from a person who has spent a lifetime around the game. Being a musician hardly disqualifies my experiences. They are reasonably rich. I would love to hear your own ideas about the Red Storm...rather than some unreasonable effort to pronounce my own as invalid.
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Ouch 72! Sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black. I admire your loyalty to Coach Mullin...I really do. But this idea that one has to play professionally, to have the knowledge regarding basketball is just ridiculous. There are loads of basketball knowledgeable people around. You choose to ignore their input and ideas simply because they didn't play on the Dream Team?....well that certainly is your right! But I think you are wrong. It's a good thing for Louie, that the people who decided to give him a chance, didn't share your opinion. I think my observations speak for themselves. I don't profess any ironclad insight to truth. I'm simply trying to share my observations in the way that I see them...from a person who has spent a lifetime around the game. Being a musician hardly disqualifies my experiences. They are reasonably rich. I would love to hear your own ideas about the Red Storm...rather than some unreasonable effort to pronounce my own as invalid.


Lol Doc! Don't mistake my sarcasm for loyalty to CM. I may be loyal to the program but every coach we have hired has been fair game because whether they collect 6 or 7 figure salaries they are employees representing the university and they get evaluated just as closely as any professor would when dealing with their responsibilities. Since a Steve Lavin or a Chris Mullin earn 20× what that professor earns his feet should be held even closer to the fire.
As for this season I would give Mullin a C for trying but he is officially on probation pending the actual signing of the players they are pursuing. Like Lavin, should he fail to get the players, which is 80% of the job, he should diplomatically step aside.
Nice to see you posting again and keep on plucking!;)
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When you look at three of the most successful NBA coaches in history, Pat Riley (Lakers, heat, knicks), Phil Jackson (bulls, lakers) and Red Holzman (Knicks), the first two left as soon as they didn't have championship caliber rosters. The genius Jackson couldn't build a winner with the Knicks even with complete control over player personnel. Holzman lost without the guns and except for the glory years of the Knicks had an undistinguished career.

Basketball is more like checkers than chess. You don't have to be a genius to coach well, and I don't think at this point Mullin is a good checkers player. However, he did have to assume control,as simple as that seems, so vanquishing Slice and not hiring someone else who woukd assume control is somewhat understandable.

Think that the genius, Jackson, last summer wanted to keep Melo and trade his young budding superstar center. Clearly, winning makes you genius and losing makes you an idiot.

When Sju has a two headed beast in ponds and Lovett both look markedly better. 6 ft guards that teams can gang up on look like garbage when trying to drive on 3 guys he normally can slice up when the other head of the beast is an option on the floor.

The thin roster turns your credible 6th man Clark into yakwe or am at. Thats like falling off a cliff talent wise.

Incredibly Mullin is being criticized for not bringing in a 6ft 10 banger or two that can grab a dozen rebounds a game and score a little. Like those guys grow on trees, which makes you take risks on 7 ft transvestites who could lead your team in steals.

Doc, as frustrated as you at how what anyone can see as obvious isnt happening on the court. Great players do things instinctively and are just that - superior to their competition

The great john wooden coined a phrase-timeouts are a sign of weakness". He felt that if you prepare during the week, you only call timeout when things aren't going well and that's on you meaning your team wasn't prepared.

Not to confuse Mullin with wooden, and yea, in game adjustments or corrections appear non existent, but throw Lovett back in, get productive non- offensive moments from yakwe spelling Owens, and return amar to mostly a spot role and the world seems right again.

At this stage in his coaching development thats the best we can hope for.

Maybe think of it this way - after a few years of college bball, who would have taken mark Jackson over pearl Washington? Remember how their nba careers turned out.

Give Mullin a deep and talented roster, and we will win. Right now when Owens, Clark and Amar are on the floor, how do you instruct all three not to hoist 3s, when Simon and Ponds ate driving into piles and missing forced layups? OF COURSE you can, but the roster stinks right now. We needed to be healthy for our season to go well. Admittedly this is disgusting, but...
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Thanks for the post 72'. You're right....we'll see. If we land some of the players we're targeting, next year has potential. Ponds and Lovett aren't likely to be going anywhere. Have to stop now. My arthritic fingers are starting to hurt.
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You are right , Beast of the East. Give Mullin a chance, he deserves it. He gave us so much joy as a player. I believe he is a nice guy and soon he will get his message to players who love STJ the way he does. Let us support him , I am sure this just as hard for him as us.
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