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Forbes America's Top Colleges 2017 1 month 3 weeks ago #259052

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St. John's # 464 (was #460 last year in Forbes methodology)

www.forbes.com/colleges/st-johns-university-new-york/
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Forbes America's Top Colleges 2017 1 month 2 weeks ago #259091

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In Forbes view of us, we are at the top of the bottom third of colleges in the USA.That's embarrassing. What's troubling is that it comes as a surprise to me. The administration owes the alumni an explanation of why we are losing ground and a plan of how they intend to improve our status. I will not change my legacy commitment yet but I will rethink support of an institution that is losing traction.
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Don't despair... as with any ranking, it's all about the criteria you choose, and how you prioritize them.

IMO, no real way to legitimately rank all these colleges of varying size, teaching styles, diversity (economic & ethnic) but the magazine's and websites do it, as it brings in revenue/readers hungry for someone to tell them what's best.

Here' Forbes methodology..

www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2017...dology/#526fdc2be44a

Biggest odd criteria that Forbes highly values at 15% of criteria is names on "America's Leaders Lists"...

This is one way they differentiate themselves from US News methodology, but seems to value the exceptions heavily....

The American Leaders List is a compilation of thousands of names of leaders across fields. First, we used the vast FORBES database of leaders and innovators, including names from the most recent renditions of the Forbes 400, Global Gamechangers, Richest Self Made Women, Most Powerful People, Most Powerful Women and 30 Under 30. We then factored in the governmental leaders at the national (Supreme Court justices, congresspeople, etc.) and state (governors) level.
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oldfan61 wrote:
In Forbes view of us, we are at the top of the bottom third of colleges in the USA.That's embarrassing. What's troubling is that it comes as a surprise to me. The administration owes the alumni an explanation of why we are losing ground and a plan of how they intend to improve our status. I will not change my legacy commitment yet but I will rethink support of an institution that is losing traction.

All those schools are in the top 15 percent in the country. Not overall.

Last two years BTW

+ 24 (2016)
-4 (2017)
Overall net gain of +20

* Also confident Bobby will continue to Jack ( pardon my street lingo) more Jesuit deans ( he has no allegiance to the Vincentian anyway).
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SJU13 - Is that 15% stat including 2 yr community colleges and/or for-profit schools ?

Also, just saw....Princeton Review came out with their rankings....


St. John's made it to the # 1 in.......... "Students Who Study the Least"


www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings...students-study-least

Both lists are based on students' answers to the survey question: "How many out-of-class hours do you spend studying each day?"

Made Top 20 in these as well

Got Milk? #14
Least Accessible Professors #16
Professors Get Low Marks #16
Scotch and Soda, Hold the Scotch #20
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RedStormNC wrote:
SJU13 - Is that 15% stat including 2 yr community colleges and/or for-profit schools ?

Also, just saw....Princeton Review came out with their rankings....


St. John's made it to the # 1 in.......... "Students Who Study the Least"


www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings...students-study-least

Both lists are based on students' answers to the survey question: "How many out-of-class hours do you spend studying each day?"

Made Top 20 in these as well

Got Milk? #14
Least Accessible Professors #16
Professors Get Low Marks #16
Scotch and Soda, Hold the Scotch #20

I believe Forbes ranks from all 5,400 schools

Other parts
- scotch and soda (means school is a dry campus) as that ranks students who drink hard liquor ( P.S we drink off campus)

- Got milk ( Also goes with dry campus nature ) as that ranks amount of alcohol on campus.

-Least accessible professors ( I agree with this 100 percent, I hated being taught by a teachers aide). But all my professors say they have to do research, rolls eyes ( this ranking I believe 100 percent) :unsure: .

-Least studying ( Could be the fact, every major at SJU either is liberal arts based, or prepares you for grad school). We don't have engineering here. The only hard majors are accounting and Pharmacy.

* The only thing I care about is this

- The Best 382 Colleges
-Best Northeastern college
-85 out 99 on acceptance rate numbers
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We are always heavily penalized in these ratings when alumni giving is considered. In our case, we are woefully small in both % of alumni participating and total contributions. Our mission statement appeals to and recruits middle and low income applicants who are very competitive, but who are also unfamiliar with sharing because of their life circumstances.
That situation most likely changes when they graduate and work in NYC but our kids have never been exposed to that side of life. I have always believed that there is a place in a Vincention College to require a course in the power, the obligation, the reward, and the impact of giving, and the importance of charity in our future role as citizens and alumni of StJ
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oldfan61 wrote:
We are always heavily penalized in these ratings when alumni giving is considered. In our case, we are woefully small in both % of alumni participating and total contributions. Our mission statement appeals to and recruits middle and low income applicants who are very competitive, but who are also unfamiliar with sharing because of their life circumstances.
That situation most likely changes when they graduate and work in NYC but our kids have never been exposed to that side of life. I have always believed that there is a place in a Vincentian College to require a course in the power, the obligation, the reward, and the impact of giving, and the importance of charity in our future role as citizens and alumni of StJ

You are certainly correct in this assertion, and on here we've often repeated this. You must be aware however, that universities with large endowments and strong alumni giving have made huge investments in talented development staff and also successfully engendered a sense of belonging and indebtedness to the school by alumni for the education they received, their college experience, and their subsequent successful careers.

Among SJU alumni there is often not only an ambivalence towards the school but an antipathy towards how we were treated as students and in subsequent years. If not mistreated, certainly there was a tone of indifference towards students by administration. Real or not, these perceptions must be overcome in order to grow an increasingly generous base of alumni and even parents of current students or recent alumni.

When you think that many older alumni paid $2000/year or less for their education, for many the ROI has been nothing short of astronomical. Although everything has gone up in cost, this is simply not a case of a loaf of bread costing a nickel 75 years ago. When SJU was charging $2000/year for tuition, other local Catholic Universities such as Fordham, Manhattan, ST. Francis and others were typically charging far more. For most of us, it wasn't a matter of choosing St. John's over other private universities, it was St. John's or CUNY. That mere fact alone should be a strong reason for alumni to be more generous when considering charitable contributions.
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Forbes America's Top Colleges 2017 1 month 2 weeks ago #259187

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St. John's needs to change it's business model, the new exclesior program signed into law by Gov. Cuomo will have a devestating impact on schools like SJU, Adelphi, St. Francis,Molloy College etc.

The working class will likely choose the public option, and for the most part families making more than $125k a year are not gravitating towards SJU. The question for board members like JSJ and others is, how do we reinvent SJU for the future to attract wealthier families while keeping the mission alive?
My suggestion is to double down on our core competencies(pharmacy, phy asst, computer science, law, accounting, marketing) etc.
Does anyone know if SJU has bloomberg terminals in 2003 we did not?

I know we built these shiny new dorms but what does SJU offer than Queens or Baruch will not?

Maybe sell a faith based education with conservative values in an increasingly secular liberal environment. These are just thoughts and maybe i'm out of touch, but the future appears grim. I pray I'm wrong.
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