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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 3 weeks ago #219894

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Monte wrote:
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I'm still praying for a late Bloomberg 3rd party candidate run

You have worse taste in politicians than you do in beer.
Let's leave my beer taste out of this :)

But with politicians to me it's like choosing between broccoli,peas or lima beans. None of it tastes good

Yes, one man's meat is another man's Pilsner. But given the choice between a pol who wants to tell you how much salt you can put in your 16 oz soda by the light of your government approved light bulb and another who doesn't care if you own a bazooka, why would you vote for the fascist?

Because the consequences for society would be so vastly different?
Under your first scenario less people get diabetes and we conserve energy.
Under the second scenario crazy people have access to bazookas.

I'll choose Bloomberg everytime in that comparison.

No one likes to admit it but government is necessary to make the decisions we wouldn't make voluntarily. If left to our own vices we wouldn't protect the air/water or pay for fire and security, those without children wouldn't pay for schools, and social security is the safety net we all need because no one saves nearly enough for retirement.

Collectively it's easier to make the right decision than it is on a micro level.

All valid points Desco, but when then do you draw the line at government intervention? Limit the amount of soda someone can drink but then allow them to go over to a bar and drink themselves in to oblivion. So why then not eliminate all fast food? Or prevent guys from playing basketball once they reach the age of 50? I could go on, but you get my point.

I agree Monte. Some protectionism is necessary, but it can get out of hand.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of the sugary drink limits, but I was just making a point that they have their utility ... and sometimes we need to protect ourselves from ourselves.


Thankfully that's why we have elections. To rein them in when pols overreach.
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 3 weeks ago #219914

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Didn't even allude to the man with the Sag Harbor Summer White House Chester A Arthur! Beast will walk by his house with me should he visit as he has dared ( ;) )

What street is it on? I've done a lot of walking there and don't think I've ever noticed a plaque.


Walk from where Whaling Museum is (Main Street) toward the almost refurbished Library...toward Madison street - you should be walking on or onto Union Street
The house has also been restored and I'll have to check if the plaque is still there - why would they not leave it -
The house is adjacent to the library property
Hope these directions weren't too confusing ;)
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 2 weeks ago #219921

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Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:
L J S A wrote:
Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:
Didn't even allude to the man with the Sag Harbor Summer White House Chester A Arthur! Beast will walk by his house with me should he visit as he has dared ( ;) )

What street is it on? I've done a lot of walking there and don't think I've ever noticed a plaque.


Walk from where Whaling Museum is (Main Street) toward the almost refurbished Library...toward Madison street - you should be walking on or onto Union Street
The house has also been restored and I'll have to check if the plaque is still there - why would they not leave it -
The house is adjacent to the library property
Hope these directions weren't too confusing ;)

Weird, I literally walk down that street every night for two months in summertime and never noticed it before. Will definitely keep an eye out for it this summer.
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 2 weeks ago #219928

GL J S A wrote:
Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:
L J S A wrote:
Sherman, Sheridan & Grant wrote:
Didn't even allude to the man with the Sag Harbor Summer White House Chester A Arthur! Beast will walk by his house with me should he visit as he has dared ( ;) )

What street is it on? I've done a lot of walking there and don't think I've ever noticed a plaque.


Walk from where Whaling Museum is (Main Street) toward the almost refurbished Library...toward Madison street - you should be walking on or onto Union Street
The house has also been restored and I'll have to check if the plaque is still there - why would they not leave it -
The house is adjacent to the library property
Hope these directions weren't too confusing ;)

Weird, I literally walk down that street every night for two months in summertime and never noticed it before. Will definitely keep an eye out for it this summer.


The sign is still up - home has been so elegantly restored

I took a pix but not sure how to paste it here??
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 2 weeks ago #219945

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THIS SAYS IT ALL WSJ

I’m Voting Trump, Warts and All

I stand by all my criticisms of the New Yorker, but the stakes for the country are too great to elect Clinton.

BOBBY JINDAL

Some of my fellow Republicans have declared they will never, under any circumstances, vote for Donald Trump. They are pessimistic about the party’s chances in November and seem more motivated by long-term considerations. They think devotion to the “anybody but Trump” movement is a principled and courageous stance that will help preserve a remnant of the conservative movement and its credibility, which can then serve as a foundation for renewal.

I sympathize with this perspective, but I am planning to vote for Donald Trump. Why? Because the stakes for my country, not merely my party, are simply too high.

I was one of the earliest and loudest critics of Mr. Trump. I mocked his appearance, demeanor, ideology and ego in the strongest language I have ever used to publicly criticize anyone in politics. I worked harder than most, with little apparent effect, to stop his ascendancy. I have not experienced a sudden epiphany and am not here to detail an evolution in my perspective.

I believe this presidential election cycle favors Republicans, due more to PresidentObama’s shortcomings than to any of our virtues or cleverness. I also believe that Donald Trump will have the hardest time of any of the Republican candidates in winning. He has stubbornly stuck to the same outlandish behavior and tactics that have served him so well to date. Mr. Trump continues to have the last laugh at the expense of his critics and competitors, myself included.

I think electing Donald Trump would be the second-worst thing we could do this November, better only than electing Hillary Clinton to serve as the third term for the Obama administration’s radical policies. I am not pretending that Mr. Trump has suddenly become a conservative champion or even a reliable Republican: He is completely unpredictable. The problem is that Hillary is predictably liberal.

There will be none of her husband’s triangulation. Republicans are fooling themselves if they think this President Clinton would sign into law policies like Nafta, the crime bill, welfare reform, or the deficit reduction packages that marked Bill’s tenure. While Bill felt compelled to confront Sister Souljah—and less directly Jesse Jackson—to appeal to moderate voters, Hillary is more responsive to pressure from Black Lives Matter and the far left. I have no idea what Mr. Trump might do, while Mrs. Clinton is predictable. Both are scary, the former less so.

The next president will make a critical appointment to the Supreme Court, who will cast the tiebreaking vote in important cases that will set precedents for years to come. Issues like the sanctity of innocent human life, constitutional protections for religious liberty and Second Amendment rights, and limits on the unelected federal bureaucracy hang in the balance.

In my lifetime, no Democrat in the White House has ever appointed a Supreme Court justice who surprised the nation by becoming more conservative, while the opposite certainly cannot be said for Republican appointments. Mr. Trump might not support a constitutionalist conservative focused on original intent and limits on the court’s powers. He may be more likely to appoint Judge Judy. However, there is only a chance that a President Trump would nominate a bad justice, while Mrs. Clinton certainly would.

The current president has abused his executive powers to implement ObamaCare and to grant de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants, in defiance of Congress and the courts. The next president will make critical decisions on whether to renew these executive orders or issue new ones repealing past abuses, and will make key appointments who will decide whether to continue bending the law to prop up ObamaCare.

Repealing and replacing ObamaCare will require congressional action. But President Obama has proven how much can be done by a determined executive. I admire his tenacity, though not his goals or disregard for constitutional limits. Mr. Trump has had a decidedly mixed record of both supporting and opposing more government involvement in health care. Mrs. Clinton has been much more consistent in favor of a big-government approach, dating to her own failed efforts in the 1990s.

If elected, Mrs. Clinton will continue hindering affordable domestic energy, increasing dependence on government and the growth of welfare programs, growing the nation’s debt and weakening America abroad. She will more firmly establish a culture of victimhood and identity politics, further dividing Americans rather than uniting us, and will continue promoting redistribution and government interference rather than growth and freedom.

I do not pretend Donald Trump is the Reaganesque leader we so desperately need, but he is certainly the better of two bad choices. Hardly an inspiring slogan, I know. It would be better to vote for a candidate rather than simply against one. If current trends hold, I will be among the many complaining this fall about my choices.

I understand why so many of my Republican friends are in denial, while many of my Democratic friends gleefully anticipate and applaud defections. The media is poised to reward those “courageous” Republicans ready to do the “right thing” and endorse Hillary. Count me out.

Mr. Jindal is a former governor of Louisiana (2008-16), a former U.S. congressman (2005-08) and a former chairman of the Republican Governors Association.
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 1 year 2 weeks ago #220021

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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 11 months 2 weeks ago #221725

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This lunatic shooter in Orlando might just have won the Presidency for Trump.
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 11 months 2 weeks ago #221729

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TX Redman wrote:
This lunatic shooter in Orlando might just have won the Presidency for Trump.

Nah, the shooter was not an immigrant and Trump's stance on gun control looks bad on this one. The guy was on the FBI's radar as known ISIS sympathizer, yet still permitted to purchase assault rifles.
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Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils? 11 months 2 weeks ago #221730

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keep your head in the sand fan
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