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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7012

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He was accused in 98'. everything was done by the book. Paterno reported it. The D.A. did not bring charges. Then Paterno fired Sandusky. In 2002 Paterno again reported it. The police didn't follow up. I understand the question Why was he allowed on campus? Is that Joe Paterno's decision? The question should be why the D.A. didn't bring charges in 98' and why in 2002 didn't campus police follow up? Remember he wasn't coaching in 2002. I do think Paterno could have done more and he admits that, but remember Paterno is not the sexual predator here. Sandusky is a disgusting human being and should go to jail for the rest of his life. 
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7021

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 I saw a good article yesterday that I believe was the Daily News. It was about the prosecutor who dropped the charges. Soon after the Sandusky case was dropped, he told his wife he was going to an antique shop a half hour away and never came back. this was around 10 years ago. All they found was his car and cell phone at the antique shop and no other clues. They went into his personal computer but all they could retrieve was a search for how to destroy a hard drive. There not sure if the guy killed himself, was killed, or just decided to disappear.
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7023

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 Actually here is the article. It was actually in 2005 that he went missing.

www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/penn-d...-05-article-1.974806
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7049

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He was accused in 98'. everything was done by the book. Paterno reported it. The D.A. did not bring charges. Then Paterno fired Sandusky. In 2002 Paterno again reported it. The police didn't follow up. I understand the question Why was he allowed on campus? Is that Joe Paterno's decision? The question should be why the D.A. didn't bring charges in 98' and why in 2002 didn't campus police follow up? Remember he wasn't coaching in 2002. I do think Paterno could have done more and he admits that, but remember Paterno is not the sexual predator here. Sandusky is a disgusting human being and should go to jail for the rest of his life. 
 

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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7069

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Tom in Salem wrote:  

An interesting comment was:
"How important is football to an institution of higher learning that serves 95,000 students and is supposed to be dedicated to the pursuit of excellence? "

Unrelated to Penn State, but just as valid a question, is how important is football to college presidents like those at WV, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. that sell their sports identity for a higher bidder at the drop of a hat burying, in the case of Missouri, over a 100 years of rivalry tradition? College football is becoming a prime example of what is wrong with college athletics these days. This sad incident may be just what America needs to open its eyes about the selfish greed that dominates CF at the highest levels.
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7103

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Agree 100% with your train of thought.

College football (and basketball) have an enormous impact on the branding of a university. The value of a successful sports team for some universities is even greater than the direct revenue the program generates. Schools like Duke, UNC, Ohio State, Indiana, UCLA, Boston College, Georgetown, etc, would simply not attract the students they attract without their storied sports histories.

When I worked at St. John's, administration counted students like beans. Each student produces revenue which is essential to the business success of a school. The brand name success of a sports program attracts students at least as much as academics, and, all things being equal, add successful a sports program to the decision, and the kid will likely go that way.

Have you ever been to State College, PA? I have - it's in the middle of nowhere, literally. The town is dominated by the university. Without football, there would be little attraction to attend school in a place where nearby towns include Altoona and Roaring Springs.

Covering up Sandusky's crimes was the cleanest way to avoid bringing scandal to the university, and to damage that essential branding. Moral relativism causes people to do some strange math in equating greater good. All roads usually lead to the almighty dollar, and whether its done at its horrific worst (pedophilia), or any point in the slippery slope, it's all related. The dollar rules in university business.

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Tom in Salem wrote:  

An interesting comment was:
"How important is football to an institution of higher learning that serves 95,000 students and is supposed to be dedicated to the pursuit of excellence? "

Unrelated to Penn State, but just as valid a question, is how important is football to college presidents like those at WV, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. that sell their sports identity for a higher bidder at the drop of a hat burying, in the case of Missouri, over a 100 years of rivalry tradition? College football is becoming a prime example of what is wrong with college athletics these days. This sad incident may be just what America needs to open its eyes about the selfish greed that dominates CF at the highest levels.
 
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7108

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 Moral relativism or organizational group think? Went through one of these involving patient abuse and the fact that I went on the record pointing out the need for action and the risks involved saved my career. When the purges started there was my memo as the only document saying stop the madness.
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7112

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 What are your opinions on the scandal? Should they fire Joe Paterno, let him resign at the end of the year.?


I think the President Graham Spanier needs to go ASAP, and although I am big Penn State fan, Joe needs to go. He should resign tomorrow.

Jerry Sandusky should have been exposed years ago, there was no accountability here,

And they allowed this scumbag to work out in the weight room as late as last week.

Bring back Al Golden from Miami to restore the program. 
 

I am from western PA and currently live there and can tell you one thing.....Paterno will never, ever be fired, especially not over this. That just isn't going to happen. Paterno is treated like a God in these parts.....and if the new AD were ever to have the balls to fire Paterno (who is probably the greatest college football coach ever), it would be the end of Penn State football, which would ultimately cost the university an insane amount of money... and I know you shouldn't be worried about money in a situation like this, but its the world we live in today...so him being fired isn't going to happen...

As for the case against Paterno itself...I just read the indictment and can't find anything that indicates that Paterno improperly reported the abuse. In fact, it seems that the law prescribes a course of action, instructing subordinates to report directly to institutional administrators as he did.The incidents were first reported in 2002, which was 2-3 years after Sandusky had retired. So at the time he had no connection to the football program what-so-ever. And from my understanding of the incident, it wasn't another 7 years(2009) until the victims reported anything. So at the time, Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do. Had he gone straight to the police, people would be saying that it is not his responsibility to go to the police, and he should have told the AD and let them take it from there. He reported the incident, which was the correct decision to do. After that, it is out of his hands.....

Also, you said "Jerry Sandusky should have been exposed years ago, there was no accountability here"........who's responsibility was it to 'expose' him??

And for the statement about whether Paterno should be fired or resign at the end of the year, I said NEITHER.....sorry but Paterno did absolutely nothing wrong here.... 
 

Like you, I live in Harrisburg and grew up here. As you know its pretty much the center of Penn State activity outside of State College.

As for the not going to the police aspect...Schultz was VP and head of campus police. They're a real police force...not just some St Johns campus security! www.police.psu.edu/aboutus/ They have more armed officers then most cities that are 50k! The issue here is that when Schultz was brought in, him and Curley decided to cover it up. What do you do when the director of the police covers something up? And I know teachers in PA can't just go to the police if they see some sort of sexual abuse. They're required to go to their superiors and aren't allowed to follow up. Since JoePa is en employee of te Commonwealth I'm sure theres some sort of similar policies.

When Joe said "I could have done more" it was more in remorse then anything else. The sad thing is...Joe is about the only one who did the right thing in all of this! You could point your finger at dozens of other people well before you point it at Joe. Outside of the obvious you can start witht he parents and the DA of the 98 case who never pursued it. You can blame the governor Tom Corbett who was the Attorney General (and member of the board of trustees) for not pursuing it further. Mind you McQueary testified 3 YEARS AGO. Then again, Corbett was just elected in 2010 :dry:

And for those who assume that Paterno "must have known". Well look who's coaching Penn State this weekend...Tom Bradley who's been on the staff for 35 years. Coached under Jerry Sandusky. He must have known too right? Which is why he's coaching???? Bradley was just as close to Sandusky as Paterno. I've also heard "Sandusky and Paterno were friends, why didn't Paterno help a friend with his problem?" Thats actually assuing 2 things, Paterno knew and Sandusky and him were actually friends! I don't know the ins and outs but when Paterno sat Sandusky down in 99 and told him he wouldn't be the next head coach at Penn State Sandusky retired. Would you send a man who ripped your heart out a Christmas card?

One thing most people don't know and most Penn State locals and fans will attest to, the board and Spanier have been trying to rid themselves of Paterno for years. Its kind of like Donovan McNabb with the eagles. He would suck for weeks and as soon as a benching came he had an MVP performance and would escape it. Every few years Joe has a fantastic team and it shuts everyone up. That and the cashflow from donors! This years team isn't supposed to be one of them. Don't think for one second the board wouldn't jump at the opportunity to get rid of Paterno...which they did.

As the facts stand right now, do I think Joe got a raw deal? Yes. Was it necessary he went? From a PR standpoint yes but from a "morality" standpoint or any other standpoint no. Its pathetic that it went this way but whats even more pathetic is when I watch TV and read stories from national news outlets and they frame it to be all about Paterno or that he abused the children or that he knew. Like, they're sure that he knew. Despite a grand jury testimony that he didn't. Good job ignoring the facts! People need to go after those who actually committed the crimes and not just those who are in the public eye! Rant over.
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7170

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Very briefly, if Paterno knew about this and kept this guy on his staff, he is guilty of looking the other way.

One thing I would say about his firing, he was going to quit anyway. The university acted in the best interests of the university - period. Whether it was right or wrong to let him go is almost inconsequential. The university wants the appearance that they are now taking out the hatchet to purge administration of anyone who knew and kept it a secret. And to administration, saving face is all that matters, the exact same reason they took no action 10 years ago.
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jumbo_peanuts wrote:
19854ever wrote:
 What are your opinions on the scandal? Should they fire Joe Paterno, let him resign at the end of the year.?


I think the President Graham Spanier needs to go ASAP, and although I am big Penn State fan, Joe needs to go. He should resign tomorrow.

Jerry Sandusky should have been exposed years ago, there was no accountability here,

And they allowed this scumbag to work out in the weight room as late as last week.

Bring back Al Golden from Miami to restore the program. 
 

I am from western PA and currently live there and can tell you one thing.....Paterno will never, ever be fired, especially not over this. That just isn't going to happen. Paterno is treated like a God in these parts.....and if the new AD were ever to have the balls to fire Paterno (who is probably the greatest college football coach ever), it would be the end of Penn State football, which would ultimately cost the university an insane amount of money... and I know you shouldn't be worried about money in a situation like this, but its the world we live in today...so him being fired isn't going to happen...

As for the case against Paterno itself...I just read the indictment and can't find anything that indicates that Paterno improperly reported the abuse. In fact, it seems that the law prescribes a course of action, instructing subordinates to report directly to institutional administrators as he did.The incidents were first reported in 2002, which was 2-3 years after Sandusky had retired. So at the time he had no connection to the football program what-so-ever. And from my understanding of the incident, it wasn't another 7 years(2009) until the victims reported anything. So at the time, Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do. Had he gone straight to the police, people would be saying that it is not his responsibility to go to the police, and he should have told the AD and let them take it from there. He reported the incident, which was the correct decision to do. After that, it is out of his hands.....

Also, you said "Jerry Sandusky should have been exposed years ago, there was no accountability here"........who's responsibility was it to 'expose' him??

And for the statement about whether Paterno should be fired or resign at the end of the year, I said NEITHER.....sorry but Paterno did absolutely nothing wrong here.... 
 

Like you, I live in Harrisburg and grew up here. As you know its pretty much the center of Penn State activity outside of State College.

As for the not going to the police aspect...Schultz was VP and head of campus police. They're a real police force...not just some St Johns campus security! www.police.psu.edu/aboutus/ They have more armed officers then most cities that are 50k! The issue here is that when Schultz was brought in, him and Curley decided to cover it up. What do you do when the director of the police covers something up? And I know teachers in PA can't just go to the police if they see some sort of sexual abuse. They're required to go to their superiors and aren't allowed to follow up. Since JoePa is en employee of te Commonwealth I'm sure theres some sort of similar policies.

When Joe said "I could have done more" it was more in remorse then anything else. The sad thing is...Joe is about the only one who did the right thing in all of this! You could point your finger at dozens of other people well before you point it at Joe. Outside of the obvious you can start witht he parents and the DA of the 98 case who never pursued it. You can blame the governor Tom Corbett who was the Attorney General (and member of the board of trustees) for not pursuing it further. Mind you McQueary testified 3 YEARS AGO. Then again, Corbett was just elected in 2010 :dry:

And for those who assume that Paterno "must have known". Well look who's coaching Penn State this weekend...Tom Bradley who's been on the staff for 35 years. Coached under Jerry Sandusky. He must have known too right? Which is why he's coaching???? Bradley was just as close to Sandusky as Paterno. I've also heard "Sandusky and Paterno were friends, why didn't Paterno help a friend with his problem?" Thats actually assuing 2 things, Paterno knew and Sandusky and him were actually friends! I don't know the ins and outs but when Paterno sat Sandusky down in 99 and told him he wouldn't be the next head coach at Penn State Sandusky retired. Would you send a man who ripped your heart out a Christmas card?

One thing most people don't know and most Penn State locals and fans will attest to, the board and Spanier have been trying to rid themselves of Paterno for years. Its kind of like Donovan McNabb with the eagles. He would suck for weeks and as soon as a benching came he had an MVP performance and would escape it. Every few years Joe has a fantastic team and it shuts everyone up. That and the cashflow from donors! This years team isn't supposed to be one of them. Don't think for one second the board wouldn't jump at the opportunity to get rid of Paterno...which they did.

As the facts stand right now, do I think Joe got a raw deal? Yes. Was it necessary he went? From a PR standpoint yes but from a "morality" standpoint or any other standpoint no. Its pathetic that it went this way but whats even more pathetic is when I watch TV and read stories from national news outlets and they frame it to be all about Paterno or that he abused the children or that he knew. Like, they're sure that he knew. Despite a grand jury testimony that he didn't. Good job ignoring the facts! People need to go after those who actually committed the crimes and not just those who are in the public eye! Rant over.
 
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Re: Penn State Jerry Sandusky Scandal 2 years 10 months ago #7202

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As the facts stand right now, do I think Joe got a raw deal? Yes. Was it necessary he went? From a PR standpoint yes but from a "morality" standpoint or any other standpoint no. Its pathetic that it went this way but whats even more pathetic is when I watch TV and read stories from national news outlets and they frame it to be all about Paterno or that he abused the children or that he knew. Like, they're sure that he knew. Despite a grand jury testimony that he didn't. Good job ignoring the facts! People need to go after those who actually committed the crimes and not just those who are in the public eye! Rant over.
 

"...or that he knew." For reals? Have you actually been following this?

Taking out the fact that he's the most powerful man on that campus, here are the basic facts of the case involving Paterno:

Grad assistant sees Sandusky rape a boy.
Grad assistant tells Paterno.
Paterno tells "superiors."
Paterno does nothing more.

Raw deal?
F Joe Pa
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