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Mullin 2 weeks 3 days ago #279990

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OLV72 wrote: I think Mullin was the greatest to play in the Big East and will soon win from his seat on the bench rendering 72 with not too much to post


If you think 72 is alone then you must be the type of guy that feels very lonely in Times Square.
That said, this is a great thread idea and guys like you and SlyFox can be master debaters here.
As for not too much to post, I post on a wide variety of topics unlike some whose only mission is to blame Steve Lavin for everything wrong with the program even if those wrongs preceded Lavin by 16 years.

One thing is obvious and that is that Mullin needs to make a change in the staff structure. Real fans want to see him succeed because we want the team to succeed. None of us would be here if we looked for Mullin to crash and burn. This is a good place for coach stubbornness to see what fans think of the job he is doing. His most ardent and loyal supporters know and want him to reorganize his reporting lines. I am not sold on Matt being the head recruiter.

When asked about Mullin and making a change, his most loyal supporter, the Maven, stated on Twitter:

"I'd luv 2 c that. A seasoned coach who also can recruit. It would be an incredible asset to #coachchrismullin, not a liability, a mole, that one on #sjubb staff is. Chris & #MikeRice can get it done but @StJohnsBBall better move fast as other schools are also looking at him!

 #coachchrismullin is his own man & not my place to tell him the obvious."

What some see as criticism of coach Mullin is actually critical "advice" by fans. Mully can take it or leave it. He is a big boy with a big fat paycheck. He doesn't need anyone here to defend him.


You are not the only one speculating away every day on this site. There's a handful of reactive and negative posters feeding off each other while others post good insight making it worth our time to check in on the board.

I don't think I'm defending Mullin - he doesn't need a fan to defend him. I probably do have more respect for him and more confidence in him.

Although if I ever find out that he reads this board to get "critical advice" I think I will lose hope and join you guys on the ledge.


Fans who visit this site are here, and have been here for years, because they love St. John's basketball. Every coach has had fans sing their praises and, when they became disillusioned, turned on that coach. At St. John's what separates us from other basketball factory schools is the most amateurish management of what should have been the showcase program in the Big East. Maybe I expect more than your average Joe, Sal or Bob here but I'm not going to hide my frustration with the way St. John's has managed it's bread and butter sports franchise. That frustration goes back to the Brian Mahoney debacle. Brian was the nicest guy one could meet and still is but that didn't stop me from saying from day one he was a mistake and couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. Like Mullin, there were a few that say those criticisms as blasphemous against a favorite son. As some say this is business and nothing personal. I felt the same way with the Norm Roberts hire. I was skeptical about the Steve Lavin hire because if he lived and breathed coaching basketball he would not have stayed away for 7 years. Other than Mullin being a playing legend there was nothing, nada, absolutely zero that gave me and MOST fans I associate with the confidence to think he was the right choice. Most of that uncertainty came from the fact that he never showed any interest in coaching at any level but also because when I vetted his post playing history I noticed he was characterized as intransigent and impulsive in his management style. He seldom was in synch with the owners in player decisions and was let go by the club where he was as legendary as St. John's. His stint in Sacramento ended in similar fashion with similar evaluations.
If you take your rose colored glasses off for a minute you can see the same pattern evolving at St. John's. He came in through the back door as a favorite son but with conditions. We had a dunce as an A.D. and he refused to report to him. So, he created his own reporting line out of the oversight eyes of the person who would be responsible at 99% of other schools. That other 1% are THE PROGRAM like coach K and John Calipari.
When the Slice debacle happened it didn't surprise some of us. That he was replaced by Mitch Richmond didn't surprise some of us. That he put all his marbles with Matt was not a surprise because he and Mitch and Greg know squat shit about recruiting and the amount of time and effort needed.
I was, and still am, hopeful that he gets the players he needs to cover up his coaching deficiencies because without the players he stands ZERO CHANCE of being successful because coaching and management are not in his DNA.
Therefore my current pet peeve with the Matt Abdelmassih situation.
As I've said 1000 times I go to the games to support my team regardless of who was, or is, the coach.
Being an armchair critic is part of being a fan whether you are a baseball, football or soccer fan. You and everyone else here come to voice opinions. Some, who have nothing nice to say any longer, don't say anything. You should be glad that fans keep coming back here at all after the mediocrity that has led us to the current conundrum.
As Doc Butler famously said with the hiring of Chris Mullin "You should never hire someone you can't fire".
That my friend is a classic!
Hopefully it will never come to that with Chris Mullin.
I hope I have explained my position for the last time.;)


Nothing wrong with changing your opinion once in a while.

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Mullin 2 weeks 3 days ago #279994

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Beast, MJM, thanks for the nice comments. I am not sure being credited as being a positive poster on a message board of a struggling hoops program is anything to brag about, but I'll take it.

72, I hear where you are coming from. I can tell you that I hated reading the crap about Lavin as much as you. One certain factor with bringing in Mullin was pulling all the fans together. The parting with any coach anywhere rarely goes well - sometimes even with an icon like Calhoun. Once Lavin was done here it was in the past and he was a rich man.

I had reservations in year one - just based on observations from my seat at games and with first hand accounts from people that make a living reporting on him. It was obvious that the first year was frustrating for him and I think he may have underestimated all that goes along with this job. At that final game at MSG, Mullin looked like he couldn't wait for the game to end. Year two started a little better than year one till we lost winnable games in that November tournament and hit the Del State shocker at CA. At that point I did a post rambling on about needing a "college coach" as an assistant. From that point the team played well for a year one team and had a better than expected record in the BE and won a BET game - something we hardly ever see. I continued to see progress in year three (or year two if you are fair about it) and decided that year one was a throw out race if there ever was one.

I think he's learned on the job and is continuing to do so. I don't for a minute buy the BS that he's lazy and does not work hard. What I buy is what my wise friend Joe J told me last night. The competition from other schools is incredibly intense - schools with more resources. The odds are always against us. It's one of the reasons we'll celebrate like never before when we finally beat these f**ckers.

Jay Wright was able to learn on the job at a quiet and ugly looking school on the eastern end of the old Hempstead Plain. Mullin is learning under a spot light with mistakes tweeted and magnified in this world of social media. The sport is undergoing huge change brought on by players having the freedom to move from team to team and an FBI investigation alleging criminal acts are rampant among the best programs in the country. Some of these guys recruiting in our great city make the mafia look like Clark Kent.

I am glad to read that you are hopeful too. I enjoy reading most of your posts and want one of those smart ass not a dumb sh*t shirts that you wear. Stop by 114 next season and visit - you are classic poster and worthy of a photo op with the famous MJM.
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OLV72 wrote: Beast, MJM, thanks for the nice comments. I am not sure being credited as being a positive poster on a message board of a struggling hoops program is anything to brag about, but I'll take it.

72, I hear where you are coming from. I can tell you that I hated reading the crap about Lavin as much as you. One certain factor with bringing in Mullin was pulling all the fans together. The parting with any coach anywhere rarely goes well - sometimes even with an icon like Calhoun. Once Lavin was done here it was in the past and he was a rich man.

I had reservations in year one - just based on observations from my seat at games and with first hand accounts from people that make a living reporting on him. It was obvious that the first year was frustrating for him and I think he may have underestimated all that goes along with this job. At that final game at MSG, Mullin looked like he couldn't wait for the game to end. Year two started a little better than year one till we lost winnable games in that November tournament and hit the Del State shocker at CA. At that point I did a post rambling on about needing a "college coach" as an assistant. From that point the team played well for a year one team and had a better than expected record in the BE and won a BET game - something we hardly ever see. I continued to see progress in year three (or year two if you are fair about it) and decided that year one was a throw out race if there ever was one.

I think he's learned on the job and is continuing to do so. I don't for a minute buy the BS that he's lazy and does not work hard. What I buy is what my wise friend Joe J told me last night. The competition from other schools is incredibly intense - schools with more resources. The odds are always against us. It's one of the reasons we'll celebrate like never before when we finally beat these f**ckers.

Jay Wright was able to learn on the job at a quiet and ugly looking school on the eastern end of the old Hempstead Plain. Mullin is learning under a spot light with mistakes tweeted and magnified in this world of social media. The sport is undergoing huge change brought on by players having the freedom to move from team to team and an FBI investigation alleging criminal acts are rampant among the best programs in the country. Some of these guys recruiting in our great city make the mafia look like Clark Kent.

I am glad to read that you are hopeful too. I enjoy reading most of your posts and want one of those smart ass not a dumb sh*t shirts that you wear. Stop by 114 next season and visit - you are classic poster and worthy of a photo op with the famous MJM.


From one 72 to another, thank you! If there were ever a coach no fan here wanted to succeed and stay until he was 72 it is Mullin.
Times have certainly changed in the recruiting world. The NCAA and the NBA are like two Mafia families controlling the destiny of schools with basketball programs. It is NOT a level playing field regardless of resources. I am waiting to see if the FBI will be able to effectively send a message to the NCAA and the school's coaches that don't play by the book.

At St. John's nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
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OLV72 wrote: Beast, MJM, thanks for the nice comments. I am not sure being credited as being a positive poster on a message board of a struggling hoops program is anything to brag about, but I'll take it.

72, I hear where you are coming from. I can tell you that I hated reading the crap about Lavin as much as you. One certain factor with bringing in Mullin was pulling all the fans together. The parting with any coach anywhere rarely goes well - sometimes even with an icon like Calhoun. Once Lavin was done here it was in the past and he was a rich man.

I had reservations in year one - just based on observations from my seat at games and with first hand accounts from people that make a living reporting on him. It was obvious that the first year was frustrating for him and I think he may have underestimated all that goes along with this job. At that final game at MSG, Mullin looked like he couldn't wait for the game to end. Year two started a little better than year one till we lost winnable games in that November tournament and hit the Del State shocker at CA. At that point I did a post rambling on about needing a "college coach" as an assistant. From that point the team played well for a year one team and had a better than expected record in the BE and won a BET game - something we hardly ever see. I continued to see progress in year three (or year two if you are fair about it) and decided that year one was a throw out race if there ever was one.

I think he's learned on the job and is continuing to do so. I don't for a minute buy the BS that he's lazy and does not work hard. What I buy is what my wise friend Joe J told me last night. The competition from other schools is incredibly intense - schools with more resources. The odds are always against us. It's one of the reasons we'll celebrate like never before when we finally beat these f**ckers.

Jay Wright was able to learn on the job at a quiet and ugly looking school on the eastern end of the old Hempstead Plain. Mullin is learning under a spot light with mistakes tweeted and magnified in this world of social media. The sport is undergoing huge change brought on by players having the freedom to move from team to team and an FBI investigation alleging criminal acts are rampant among the best programs in the country. Some of these guys recruiting in our great city make the mafia look like Clark Kent.

I am glad to read that you are hopeful too. I enjoy reading most of your posts and want one of those smart ass not a dumb sh*t shirts that you wear. Stop by 114 next season and visit - you are classic poster and worthy of a photo op with the famous MJM.

Or he could always meet us at belmont and watch me lose very race :)
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Ok i have finally come around to the Rice bandwagon. The guy is a super high energy guy and has received applause for his restraint, practice efficiency and communication with local talent. Think he deserves another Div 1 opportunity. His theatrics would be on check because of the local mediA scrutiny. Guy could handle local recruiting, while Matt worked transfer market. Think his recruiting reach would go beyond the kids he is currently coaching.

Mitch's presence has been useful in the past because of his pro rep. He has not utilized that reputation much in aiding recruiting. Frankly without a Rice type hire I don't think we can succeed with the present regime.
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Brellstorm wrote: Ok i have finally come around to the Rice bandwagon. The guy is a super high energy guy and has received applause for his restraint, practice efficiency and communication with local talent. Think he deserves another Div 1 opportunity. His theatrics would be on check because of the local mediA scrutiny. Guy could handle local recruiting, while Matt worked transfer market. Think his recruiting reach would go beyond the kids he is currently coaching.

Mitch's presence has been useful in the past because of his pro rep. He has not utilized that reputation much in aiding recruiting. Frankly without a Rice type hire I don't think we can succeed with the present regime.


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Are they still considering another assistant.

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I was told yesterday that's very much in play
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RedStormNC wrote: ST JOHN'S
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Are they still considering another assistant.

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I was told yesterday that's very much in play


Holy moly. Proof, that even glaciers may ‘move’. Joking. My way of saying...Let’s go Johnnies!
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Perhaps Mullin finally sensing Matt's limitations.

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